its SECOND slowest. The civic si is a touch slower. Its pretty much a drivers race though.

 

Wow, that pretty much summed up my CSRT testdrive experience as well.
Besides making me hungry for a burger ...

 

Dude, Don't be a hypocrite... You are calling him a fanboi, Honestly?

Im not one to point fingers and I don't want to get in a bitch fit with anyone but, I've been reading your post. And I have to say people on other forums have also read it, You have made an idiot out of yourself. Im not here to troll. Because I like the SS/TC (drive a GTI MKV) but when you bash my car. Saying its a POS. Honestly?

The MKIV and MKIII were horrible with reliability, I wouldn't say the MKV is a ******* honda but... Dont doubt it.

You would be surprised.

Yeah its the second slowest but, VW isn't aiming to be the fastest. They aimed for a fun Daily Driver that was a balance between power/quality/sophistication/space and appeal.

I think they nailed it on the head.

Thats not what the CSRT4 and Cobalt SS/TC are aimed for...

They are aimed for a younger crowd who doesn't mind giving up some of what the GTI has to offer for some engine and an LSD.

And GTI's never came with Tan interior for the MKV in North America.

They are an option in Europe but not here...


Oh and I have my Flame-Suite ready

 

Ive stated facts. How have I been wrong? The CSRT has better turbo, internals, fuel system, and overall powertrain.

Mitsubishi made engine, Mitsubishi TD05 turbo, EVO X frame, bulletproof tranny, and a clutch designed to handle well over 300 whp. Please tell me how the GTI is better from any of these stand points. Show me a GTI that can make over 300 HP with just a PCM.

Ur making no sense, and calling me an idiot?

I personally dont care about interior. U want a nice interior? Get a luxury car. Hell, get a V6 camry and smoke the GTI with tons more room. The new Altimas would smoke one too and their interior/exterior is sexy.

The GTI does not deserve the number one spot from a performance standard. Tuners are based on peformance, not interior. Why does someone buy a EVO, or STI? The GTI has a little nicer interior, does it deserve to be over an EVO and STI?

No, because the EVO and STI are much better performers, and you would be niave to rate the GTI higher. SO why the hell does it apply with the sport compacts in this case? I thought people bought performance cars for PERFORMANCE.

Say there....

U wouldnt happen to be a troll with only 2 posts and a join date of 01-07-09 would ya?

 

Well I'm sure this thread isn't making anyone look bad.... But I don't know who looks worst, the guy who had nothing better to do than start this worthless thread, the GTI kids running on here to talk about there interior, or the mods who actually let this go on.


Both cars cost the same, and every person had a choice as to which car they bought, this is called a free market. Enjoy your car because YOU own it.

Someone please lock this already.

 

Your the only one looking bad. We have gotten the conversation to a civil point, you are a bit late.




For all of you guys saying that the GTI is slow......lol. The ET is 0.5 secons slower than the SS/TC and CSRT-4. While this is a sizable difference, the driver in the real world has much more to do with a race with cars within 1 second of each other. The point that you ALL should be making is the TRAP speed. It is 5-7mph slower than the others, which is a BIG difference.

It weighs more, has 60 less horsepower and NO LSD, yet is still within 0.5 seconds of the BRAND NEW ss/tc. I personally think that the GTI performs fantastically considering its weight and power, and that it has been out for over 4.5 years.

Yes it is more expensive to make as fast as the MS3, ss/tc and the csrt4, but is worlds better and easier to make fast than the Si, and spec V.

THe article said it best. Middle of the road in objective tests, leader in subjective. Its the best ALL AROUND car. There are better cars in almost every aspect, but none that do ALL as well as the GTI. It really isnt a hard concept to understand.




I went and looked at the SS/TC today. I am still too big to fit in one lol. 6'6" and 340lbs. Great looking exterior though

 

I chose the TC because I liked driving it. It was a gamble because when I test drove the car, it felt solid but not so much now after 5000k...

Now, a faster car does not make for a better car. The GTI isn't quicker but during your daily commute and in reality, it's a nicer place to spend time in.

And while we're at it, anything that does 0-60 in under 7 secs is NOT SLOW. I'm sick of hearing or reading that. 200hp is plenty enough to get you going in a small car. ******* Yaris are slow. SS, MS3, SI, SPECV, WRX none of them are slow.

I own a TC because I liked the car for the amount of money I was spending; I wanted a quick sedan & up here, I would've had to spend 3000-4000 $ more for a GTI or WRX.

I don't think I own the best car, I merely own the fastest. Anyone who drives it will agree that it's a very impressive car. This is the TC's advantage but it stops there. I know people with MS3's, Si's and they think my car is great & I think theirs are great too. They're different, that's all.

Gotta agree w/ JeSSica; I'm about 6'2, I know what he means.

With that said, the TC is a good bang for the buck and quick. The GTI is more refined. A different approach for each.

It's only a matter of personal choice.

 

Dunno, maybe its me...but the GTI looks alot like a standard interior to me..not much differen then the cobalt...so whats so spectacular about the GTI interior?

 

Extremely well said, that's exactly how I view the SS/TC as well. When the GTI wins a comparison, there's no reason to jump all over it. We're buying CARS, compact economy cars in this case. I'm sorry, but no matter how quick your SS/TC is, it's not a damn Porsche. In this class of automobile, overall refinement still matters to the general market (as it should).

Us SS/TC owners simply fall into the subset of the market that will trade refinement for performance. Our cars are not better simply because they're faster, just as a GTI isn't better because it's more refined. The sport compact class is about balance, and personal preferences will lead you to lean one way or the other. All cars in this class are solid performers.

...Except the SI. I seriously can't believe they wanted CAD$27,500 BASE for that thing.

Unfortunately for us Canucks the decision is a hell of a lot easier... The SS/TC comes in cheapest of the sport compacts by $2,500 at base price (closest being the GTI and SI), with the gap only growing after options. You can finance an MS3 up here and have the price crack $40k with interest.

 

My experience with these cars was as follows:

incl warranty, taxes options etc etc...

GTI 34 000
WRX 265 42 500
CSRT - No comment. I left shaking my head. Price and car were unacceptable.
Mazdaspeed 3 - 33 500 Decent car, but not interested. 2 mazda 3's in the same garage is a bit much .. lol
Cobalt SS/TC 25 500 Best driving experience out of the bunch (with upgraded 100 000km waranty, and a 1000$ cheque for snow rims\tires that clear the brembo's. 2 free oil changes, and a huge bag full of detailing products....

I just didnt feel the nearly 10 000difference in either of the other cars I test drove. The GTI interior is about at par with my Mazda 3 GT... The TC gave me everything I was looking for in a 4cyl daily driver. The interior is not that bad either. If I could only get the GTI in that ghey plaid, I would much rather have the TC int...

I mean the TC says "Hey, lets have some fun through these corners" and the GTI says "Hey , call you're bf, and lets go for a picnic...."

 

I think the GTI is sexy. I wouldnt mind owning one. /thread

 

I hate to say this because my goal is not to fan the flames. The chassis set-up in the GTI is much better than the CSRT4. The CSRT4 may have a strong engine, but it's chassis development really is not good. Basically, the CSRT4 is overpowered and underdeveloped. The stiffer springs/bigger brakes/and add a turbo worked on the Neon because the Neon was light, but that formula doesn't feel like it's working on the CSRT4. It plows really hard because of understeer combined with the suspension set up. It's very unsettled and does not inspire confidence on a windy road.

The GTI has a very strong chassis and feels like it could handle a lot more power. I do believe it's underpowered. I would say the GTI is a superior overall package to the CSRT4. I almost believe the CSRT4 belongs in a different class, like sporty mini-utes or something.

IMHO, you have an MS3 vs SS battle because their performance parameters are close enough that you are talking about things like coupe vs wagon. Then you have the GTI which is a sporty compact, but it's really almost a luxury compact for lack of a better word. It feels more like it's supposed to be the SWB version of the A3. The CSRT4 package just isn't complete enough to play here.

 

well put. GTI or MS3 interiors have a more solid feel and the quality of the fabrics/material/assembly is much better.

I agree with you that "desing-wise", the difference is not that dramatic. It's the quality that puts people off.

To each his own.

 

Like I said, I'm not bashing the TC...
I think it is a great car for the money.


But to somebody who claimed that VW paid off the car magazines so that their car won?

All I can say is wow kid...

This is where the GTI and SS/TC stand in my book...

SS/TC: All about power and doesn't give a **** about interior.

GTI: Can I have some tea and Crumpits, with some Meth.

I think for somebody who doesnt care about refinement as much and just want to be the fastest on the streets. The SS is for them.

GTI is a mix between refinement.

And I would never waste a second of my time considering to look at a CSRT4...

I would much rather have a Neon SRT4...(Coming from a GTI owner) so you know what my feelings are.

I like the SS, and I think it shocked the country with the TC. Its worlds better than the SC.

I also believe in the appeal of the GTI over the SS/TC

Sure for somebody from 18-25 the SS is great. But when people want to move away from the boy racer scene but still own a economy hatch with power... Ta Da!!! the GTI

Oh BTW the SS transmission is German

 

Saab is it not ?

I wouldn't put the sedan in the boy racer category... I think it's quite subtle, almost tame.

And I'm fine with that.

With the lower wing, the coupe isn't that flashy either IMO.

 

There's really not a huge delta between the VW interior and the TC. You're making it sound like the GTI interior is made out of rare ostrich ballsak or something. Its not good enough to sell me on the price difference. I'll take my refinements in performance and handling over an interior upgrade any day. The VW I testdrove was at par with a mazda 3 as far as refinement goes.

The TC is a drivers car. It drives sooooo nice and smooth. Besides, when i am driving down the road I am primarily looking out the front window and back out the mirror. Im not admiring my flower vase, or my splendid tartan plaid seats....

Not everyone gets old and wants to slow down....and there are plenty of kids behind the wheel of GTI's..... its not the car you graduate to after a cobalt, its a car you buy instead of one.

 

Hehe, I like your reply.

BTW, I'm 39 and if I really wanted a VW, I would have bought a VW. I'm not having a midlife crisis either. I think the thing that surprises people most of all about the SS is the chassis refinement. It isn't just more powerful, the car is fricken glued to the road without beating you up.

 

Its a great car no doubt.

The only 3 cars I would look at under 30k NEW is the GTI, MS3 and the SS/TC. However I can not fit in the SS/TC comfortably.

I posted up some dyno graphs in another thread, 370hp with factory fueling and exhaust. fantastic!

 

LOL omg it screams I am wearing a kilt And I am Irish .. I really don't see whats so much different about it besides the telescopic steering wheel ..

Yeah .. The seats are like WTF ! And compared to our interior I really can't say that it is THAT much better...

OMFG this guy can't be ******* serious !!! RELIABILITY in a VW .. LOL WTF !!!

For once I would have to agree the CSRT 4 is better then the VW in tons of aspects !

I totaly agree .. I really don't understand how the interior is that much better just doesn't add up ...

 

you forgot to add if you want to come in once a week for check engine lights get a GTI and also if you want to have problems with your cams and fuel pumps get a GTI

 

In twisties, its not the best. However it makes up for it on the drag, and the extra creature comforts it offers are just plain cool.

 

Weight watchers makes amazing products that over time would allow you to enjoy great cars such as the SS/TC or even any other car in the Chevy family for that matter.

 

Good lord this still going on? After 13 pages has the ranking changed? Then WTF is the point in continueing?

 

hahahaha dude thats horrible. but funny

 

It's something to do. I'd sure rather talk about this than brakes. So, how are you?