General Inquiry: Procharging a Cobalt

[roadrage06]

I tried to make the title in a way that wouldn't get too many people excited and let them down thinking that someone was actually doing it, I'm not. This is just a general inquiry I wanted to throw out there. I don't even have my SS/SC anymore....

...but...

has there ever been any attempt to Procharge or use any type of Centrifugal supercharger on a Cobalt?

I should be getting deployed next year and when I return I am going to get a C5 as my project and I've been doing a lot of research on Procharger.

They have incredible gains that rival turbocharged cars on stock motors (usually 50-60% gains), for usually less than the cost of a turbo kit. They have better heat efficiency than turbos too. So, basically, the instant torque of a supercharger, without the heat soak.

Just throwing this out there. I would love to see a Cobalt SS with a Procharger throwing down some big, street reliable numbers with out the lag of a turbo or the heat soak of a supercharger.

I know there are a few that are always looking to be different, figured I'd share this idea for your guys' sake, too.

Discuss:

Pros/Cons, could it work?, fitment issues, etc.

[Zdeuce4]

elecblue06 procharged ion. look him up

[Illini_06SS]

Originally Posted by Zdeuce4

elecblue06 procharged ion. look him up

He's done it and seems to love it. Has had pretty good results with it, too.

[riko540]

acually the company that did his procharger kit is looking for a Cobalt to test fit the kit on.

[SilverSSyes]

what is the company?

[elecblue06]

speed mafia performance i'm working with .. if you're serious about it we could get it going how far away from me are you? i can help you with everything as well as the tuning side..

and yes i do love my setup

the guy I got my blower from and some of my piping put down 346 on a 2.55 pulley on a hybrid 2.4 and 2.0

[SilverSSyes]

Originally Posted by elecblue06

speed mafia performance i'm working with .. if you're serious about it we could get it going how far away from me are you? i can help you with everything as well as the tuning side..

and yes i do love my setup

the guy I got my blower from and some of my piping put down 346 on a 2.55 pulley on a hybrid 2.4 and 2.0

Ballpark price? Does the fact that we have a supercharger already make it cheaper than going turbo?

[northvibe]

someone in MN procharged their ion?? i want to say...

[elecblue06]

Originally Posted by northvibe

someone in MN procharged their ion?? i want to say...

yup fully built motor too

Originally Posted by SilverSSyes

Ballpark price? Does the fact that we have a supercharger already make it cheaper than going turbo?

technically you could run no FMIC techncally could just use the stock intake manifold and an adapter plate then you'll just run from sc to intake manifold .. with a BOV in there ..

price if you're converting from an ss/sc would be about 4k for a full setup including new manifold and fmic and 2.2 alternator however if yo just get blower bracket and use stock manifold it would be like 2600 or so the blower itself is like 2300

if you get used parts thats different

i'd personally say go with a base setup... (use stock manifold and a second HE and such) it would give you a decent setup for a cheaper price i'll post pics of the idea later



crappy example but thats the only one i could find it wouldn't look that ugly theres the similar setup i'm talking about but i can't find pics

[SilverSSyes]

If i do the base setup which is pretty much just the plate and a new blower, what kind of power gains should I see on the lsj w/ catback exhaust (catless)?

[roadrage06]

Nice! Glad to see this thread blew up after I left work yesterday.

So, 252hp initially (in your sig)! Without the blower our motors are probably around 140-170ish.

That keeps consistent with my thoughts in the original post. Which was that their % gains are usually really high. On V8's they usually make 50-60%, they seem to make more on sport compacts. They have a kit for the Civic Si that makes a 75% gain.

What are your numbers now? Or are they still pending?

[elecblue06]

Originally Posted by SilverSSyes

If i do the base setup which is pretty much just the plate and a new blower, what kind of power gains should I see on the lsj w/ catback exhaust (catless)?

depends on the pulley you want to use 3.4,3.2,2.95, 2.55 or 2.25 lol

[roadrage06]

Originally Posted by elecblue06

depends on the pulley you want to use 3.4,3.2,2.95, 2.55 or 2.25 lol

so what are your numbers at now with the 10-11psi? and which model blower did you use?

[schamsy]

hmm...

[elecblue06]

Originally Posted by roadrage06

Nice! Glad to see this thread blew up after I left work yesterday.

So, 252hp initially (in your sig)! Without the blower our motors are probably around 140-170ish.

That keeps consistent with my thoughts in the original post. Which was that their % gains are usually really high. On V8's they usually make 50-60%, they seem to make more on sport compacts. They have a kit for the Civic Si that makes a 75% gain.

What are your numbers now? Or are they still pending?

numbers now are still pending but they'll probably be on 15 psi, a good intake, and welded charge pipes, I might go back and hit the dyno with the 10 psi idk yet i need to just get everything all set intake and piping wise first lol

i put down about 100 whp over stock which is about 60%, for that I had a zzp header and dp 1.75" primaries, 3" dp and a 2.25 or 2 3/8 in catback (tsudo) and just a filter on the procharger inlet

i re tuned some things after that and bumped up the redline which should've given me a bit more top end hp

i put the 2.95 on with that exhaust setup and it felt a good amount quicker.. then i put the 3" catback on and it feels slower lol but i did that because when i put the 2.55 on i'll need a 3"

as i said i'll be making a "real" intake that will go into the fender to pull in cold air and will have the option to recirculate the BOV this should help let me pull some more power out of the car since it wont be sucking in engine heat

Originally Posted by roadrage06

so what are your numbers at now with the 10-11psi? and which model blower did you use?

i'm using the c-1 blower the smallest one they make .. kevin and are are tossing around the idea at me running a p1sc-1 from the newer mustangs and seeing how that works out but i'd need to sell my blower and bracket

[roadrage06]

Originally Posted by elecblue06

numbers now are still pending but they'll probably be on 15 psi, a good intake, and welded charge pipes, I might go back and hit the dyno with the 10 psi idk yet i need to just get everything all set intake and piping wise first lol

i put down about 100 whp over stock which is about 60%, for that I had a zzp header and dp 1.75" primaries, 3" dp and a 2.25 or 2 3/8 in catback (tsudo) and just a filter on the procharger inlet

i re tuned some things after that and bumped up the redline which should've given me a bit more top end hp

i put the 2.95 on with that exhaust setup and it felt a good amount quicker.. then i put the 3" catback on and it feels slower lol but i did that because when i put the 2.55 on i'll need a 3"

as i said i'll be making a "real" intake that will go into the fender to pull in cold air and will have the option to recirculate the BOV this should help let me pull some more power out of the car since it wont be sucking in engine heat



i'm using the c-1 blower the smallest one they make .. kevin and are are tossing around the idea at me running a p1sc-1 from the newer mustangs and seeing how that works out but i'd need to sell my blower and bracket

The p1sc-1 is what they give to the Corvette guys running a stock motor, you should have fun with that... i'm just saying...lol.

Those guys run 8psi and show gains of 150+hp.

[06C0BALT]

this is gonna be a really dumb question i think, but is this procharge set up possible on a LS?

[roadrage06]

Originally Posted by 06C0BALT

this is gonna be a really dumb question i think, but is this procharge set up possible on a LS?

Any Procharger setup on any cobalt is going to be custom as Procharger does not have a kit for the Cobalt.

Kinda vague answer, but in short: yes, it's possible, but then again, anything is possible on any car with enough ingenuity, effort, and custom work.

Then engine bay on the 2.0 is different than on the 2.2 (obviously), so mounting it and running the belt is going to be your biggest issue and elecblue won't be able to help you with that since he has a different model.