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View Poll Results: High HP or High TQ?
High Horsepower - 600 hp & 300 tq 40 33.06%
High Torque - 300 hp & 600 tq 81 66.94%
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Old 06-12-2009, 05:20 PM   #19
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Torque and horsepower go hand in hand

Horsepower = Torque * Engine Rpm
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Old 06-12-2009, 05:27 PM   #20
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Disregarding the fact that those numbers will not yield identical performance numbers (look at turbo diesels for example), I'd go for torque, pending I could hook up. I'm all about high G force acceleration, not high speed. I like to feel the power, not see it on the speedometer.

**edit** One thing that could be kinda cool about 600hp and 300tq is the fact you'd be revving over 10,000RPM to get those numbers, considering holding 300tq past 10,000...lol V8's with that kinda revs sound rediculous.
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Old 06-12-2009, 05:32 PM   #21
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if performance is equal then this thread is a waste because both cars will be able to do the exact same thing as the other car, resulting in driver A being pissed off because a 300wtrq car is doing the same wheelstands his 600wtrq car is doing. and driver B getting pissed off because his friends 300whp car is keeping up with his 600whp car. so both guys sell theyre cars and go buy ferraris, because thats what rich people do, and only rich people can afford 600wtrq cars.

This is about driving characteristics...as stated clearly in the original post....not which car is faster...we are assuming it is identical for arguments sake....no need to overanalyze it more then the hypothetical that it is.

So would you rather have a high rev and hp v8 with low torque or a low rev but torquey setup to get you down the 1/4 in identical times and drive around town?
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Old 06-12-2009, 05:38 PM   #22
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This is a hypothetical scenario...not to be taken seriously...but lets imagine the gearing for each engine is such that performance is equal
in that case ill take whichever is cheaper and it doesnt matter lol

if its the same who cares where you get the power...

the big thing is, it wont be the same and that is what should be being discussed here...
do you want to have low end and not as much pull up top? or do you want nothing down low and lots of pull as you rev out? it will be 100% different and that is the point. If the only diff is the numbers..an both act the same at all points of rev...then there is no diff and who cars
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Old 06-12-2009, 05:38 PM   #23
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Torque and horsepower go hand in hand

Horsepower = Torque * Engine Rpm
if you're gonna say that, at least get it right. HP= (TQ * RPM) / 5252.
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Old 06-12-2009, 05:38 PM   #24
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if you're gonna say that, at least get it right. HP= (TQ * RPM) / 5252.
I was too lazy to type it out
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Old 06-13-2009, 12:42 AM   #25
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I'd love to have a car that made 600+ wtq from 3000 to 8000 rpm. Don't care too much about HP figures here... Though, they would probably be higher than the torque curve on a motor that made that much torque for that long.
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Old 06-13-2009, 12:47 AM   #26
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I prefer a blend of both, which you left off the poll. I prefer 500 hp+500tq
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Old 06-13-2009, 01:20 AM   #27
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Torque is more fun then HP
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Old 06-13-2009, 01:35 AM   #28
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I was too lazy to type it out
You typed everything else except /5252.
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Old 06-13-2009, 07:55 AM   #29
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One engine option makes 600hp & 300ft. lb of torque
The other makes 300hp & 600ft. lb of torque
at what RPMs? Its very important to really see where the power is. if the 600hp engine has a perfectly flat torque curve, then hell, i'd probably go that route, but if it has shit low end torque and only peaks at 300 close to redline, then no thanks

likewise for the 300hp motor. If its redline is at 4.5kRPMs and thats where ita making those hp/tq numbers, then it looks pretty damn good to me. but if it doesnt even reach that 300hp until 7kRPMs, and peak torque is taken at like 2kRPMs (making it effectively useless due to traction issues), then i'd pass on that one too.

You need to remember, HP is a function of TQ. The more torque at X RPM, the more HP at X RPM...however, when engine specs are listed, they list peak torque at X RPM and peak power at Y RPM
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ill give you a good example of some differences.
my lt1 over 300hp and over 300tq
the tq was there from idle to almost redline
the hp peaked at about 4500 and fell off around 5500

my ls1 made similar numbers
the tq was from about 2500 to 5000
the hp was from 4000 to 6000

the lt1 was way more fun to drive even though the ls1 was faster
i would take the torque over the hp any day, as long as it didnt effect the performance of the car compared to the other one.

now you also have to think of normal every day driving, you dont drive hp you drive tq so you should take tq over hp anyways
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ill give you a good example of some differences.
my lt1 over 300hp and over 300tq
the tq was there from idle to almost redline
the hp peaked at about 4500 and fell off around 5500

my ls1 made similar numbers
the tq was from about 2500 to 5000
the hp was from 4000 to 6000

the lt1 was way more fun to drive even though the ls1 was faster
i would take the torque over the hp any day, as long as it didnt effect the performance of the car compared to the other one.

now you also have to think of normal every day driving, you dont drive hp you drive tq so you should take tq over hp anyways
The LS1 makes more torque then the LT1 does. That myth has been squashed
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Old 06-13-2009, 05:26 PM   #33
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id only want higher hp if i was turbo'd

besides that id take torque forsure
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I'm a nitrous guy...torque all the way. There is nothing like crusing around in 1st gear and damn near pulling a tire off the ground from a 20mph roll
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look at diesel racers, they know torque delivers where it counts.
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