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Old 01-25-2011, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BYT*SS*TURBO
Just over 5 secs on pump (this is including some spool up time tho, still stabbing at 58ish and takes a second to pick up). And just over 4 with the last revision. If he did a pull from just under 55 and I took the measurements at 60-100 it would be more impressive but we call that "cheating" so Im keeping consistent!

I could only run like 13 or 13.5* peak on 23psi with the 91 octane. We're over 20 now but Im taking it a bit easy moving it up and keeping an eye on things
Yeah the fastest I have seen from out there on a combo tune is around 5 flat on pump gas at 24 psi on the stock turbo and 12-13* max timing.
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All I want to know is when does it start spooling and when do you hit full boost?

You've gotta know by now?
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Yea, and that's damn good from what Ive been noticing!
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Good question, Tyler - Do a pull in 3rd or 4th from just under 3k and we'll find out. 4th will bring it on quicker and you typically dont stab it that low in 4th. But try both maybe!
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Originally Posted by BYT*SS*TURBO
Good question, Tyler - Do a pull in 3rd or 4th from just under 3k and we'll find out. 4th will bring it on quicker and you typically dont stab it that low in 4th. But try both maybe!
Word, will do when I get off work tonight!


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Yeah the fastest I have seen from out there on a combo tune is around 5 flat on pump gas at 24 psi on the stock turbo and 12-13* max timing.
Is that 93? 91? e47? meth?
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I believe he is saying a 91 car from your area.
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vidz when you do log pulls tonight or banzorz
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Originally Posted by BYT*SS*TURBO
I believe he is saying a 91 car from your area.
Is that Nick (FF_ace) then? He is the only one I can think of besides me who is combo tuned nearby.
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I'll help video tonight Tyler
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There ya go, team work LOL!
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Originally Posted by tglems
Word, will do when I get off work tonight!




Is that 93? 91? e47? meth?
That is RYRIDESMOTOX he is a few hundred miles from AZ in Cali. Never have run FF-aces car on 91 octane and a combo tune. His car would knock on 9-10* (less than stock timing) and 21 psi not sure why but his car hated timing before the meth and E-47. His fueling was perfect and no matter how much timing I pulled and what A/f I used it would show 3-4* of KR.
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That's our gas for you ^ I'm running 8-9* in the midrange and 11 up top, I tried adding 1.5 degrees and it knocked lol. I need to get to tuning for e!
Old 01-25-2011, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by slowbalt84
oh im sure the GTX wheel will help SOME, but its a waste of money on the stock manifold. For $325 you can get a custom exhaust manifold from vulcan turbo and call it a day. I really don't know why more people havent done more custom turbo kits on their ss/tc. I have about $900 into my turbo kit which is precision 5457 turbo, O2 housing, custom exhaust manifold, and oil/coolant lines. These BNR turbos do sound pretty interesting tho and Im positive they will be great, i just dont want spool up so fast. Plus i want well over 400whp
yeah im looking to get 450-500whp. well see how these turbos do and then ill go from there.
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Yea, E is def the way for the AZ people! Totally agree and confirm what you guys are saying. The car reacted world's different even while still blending! Now it's night and day as far as what the car is willing to take.
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Originally Posted by tglems
Is that 93? 91? e47? meth?
Its on 91 octane, California cat urine special. The stuff is horrible but I seem to do ok with it. I am going to be looking into the LHU fuel pump and/or injector swap. The LHU in the Buick Regal is flex fuel capable so it should be able to run E85 no problem. My current mods are cold air intake, upper and lower charge pipes, TR8 intercooler, BPV block off with a vent to air 52mm turbosmart BOV, catless 3 inch downpipe and 3 inch exhaust... still on the stock turbo running 24 psi on a trifecta base file with an HP tuners write on top of that. Term2 has the car running very well. no knock and heinous amounts of power. I am getting a new clutch and will have better dyno numbers soon.
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Originally Posted by RyRidesMotox
Its on 91 octane, California cat urine special. The stuff is horrible but I seem to do ok with it. I am going to be looking into the LHU fuel pump and/or injector swap. The LHU in the Buick Regal is flex fuel capable so it should be able to run E85 no problem. My current mods are cold air intake, upper and lower charge pipes, TR8 intercooler, BPV block off with a vent to air 52mm turbosmart BOV, catless 3 inch downpipe and 3 inch exhaust... still on the stock turbo running 24 psi on a trifecta base file with an HP tuners write on top of that. Term2 has the car running very well. no knock and heinous amounts of power. I am getting a new clutch and will have better dyno numbers soon.
I asked a few guys about that LHU injectors and they didn't know for sure but....


They seem to think since its a different controller we wont be able to control the injectors without some sort of impedance conversion , like the SRT4 guys with bigger injectors..

Remember that LHU is basically a detuned LNF and we could run 220WHP on E85 with the injectors we have right now on an LNF.. It's anything above that threshold we start having fuel issues.

Which sounds like thats why GM detuned it to make it flex fuel , only thing I can think of they didn't want to spend the extra money on getting high hp out of e85 on DI

Fords ecoboost does this very well..
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What are your current dyno numbers (with crappy clutch)?
Old 01-25-2011, 03:22 PM
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The clutch wasn't so much the issue on my last dyno run. I just went to a shop that does mostly BMWs and they had only had 1 FWD car on before mine (a turboed civic that put down horrible number not even above 200hp). The tires spun on the dyno drum so it totally messed up my curve, and their computer was messed up and couldn't print so basically yea waste of my time and money. It was 369 lbs/torque at the wheels on a mustang dyno. I'm going to a different place when I get the clutch installed and new tires. The exedy I'm getting has a lighter flywheel so that might actually yield a few hp gain (at the wheels) since I will have less parasitic loss from the weight reduction. Less rotating mass = more power to the ground... lighter components like axles and driveshafts are almost as good at adding hp as intakes and exhausts sometimes.

Oh and princess, yea I have been hearing the same thing... sooo frustrating that no one makes larger injectors for this thing yet. I just hope that at some point I will read definitively whether or not it can be done. The LHU also uses a different computer than ours too so that is another bump to overcome.
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Originally Posted by RyRidesMotox
Its on 91 octane, California cat urine special. The stuff is horrible but I seem to do ok with it. I am going to be looking into the LHU fuel pump and/or injector swap. The LHU in the Buick Regal is flex fuel capable so it should be able to run E85 no problem. My current mods are cold air intake, upper and lower charge pipes, TR8 intercooler, BPV block off with a vent to air 52mm turbosmart BOV, catless 3 inch downpipe and 3 inch exhaust... still on the stock turbo running 24 psi on a trifecta base file with an HP tuners write on top of that. Term2 has the car running very well. no knock and heinous amounts of power. I am getting a new clutch and will have better dyno numbers soon.
I like your thinking. Post up how it works out if/when you end up doing that.
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Originally Posted by RyRidesMotox
The clutch wasn't so much the issue on my last dyno run. I just went to a shop that does mostly BMWs and they had only had 1 FWD car on before mine (a turboed civic that put down horrible number not even above 200hp). The tires spun on the dyno drum so it totally messed up my curve, and their computer was messed up and couldn't print so basically yea waste of my time and money. It was 369 lbs/torque at the wheels on a mustang dyno. I'm going to a different place when I get the clutch installed and new tires. The exedy I'm getting has a lighter flywheel so that might actually yield a few hp gain (at the wheels) since I will have less parasitic loss from the weight reduction. Less rotating mass = more power to the ground... lighter components like axles and driveshafts are almost as good at adding hp as intakes and exhausts sometimes.

Oh and princess, yea I have been hearing the same thing... sooo frustrating that no one makes larger injectors for this thing yet. I just hope that at some point I will read definitively whether or not it can be done. The LHU also uses a different computer than ours too so that is another bump to overcome.
Direct injection is our biggest problem IMO and yet our greatest advantage ...

Once DI has been available for longer we will see different fueling products I am sure.


Running a piggy back system with a separate fuel rail just isn't very appealing and is a PIA..
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Originally Posted by PrincessTurbo
Direct injection is our biggest problem IMO and yet our greatest advantage ...

Once DI has been available for longer we will see different fueling products I am sure.


Running a piggy back system with a separate fuel rail just isn't very appealing and is a PIA..
the VW's have had it for a while and can make some huge numbers... but its new to GM and ford in the US so...ya waiting for ecu cracking and big ass injectors for big ass turbos....
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Seems like my engine doesnt like timing either. Even with 93 here in houston. Im considering the E blend but I will wait for the Stage 1 to be on and see what power we can get from it first. Its weird how some LNF's can handle the timing and some cant.
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Tyler what time are you off tonight ill try to stop by too!
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Originally Posted by cubaniche
Seems like my engine doesnt like timing either. Even with 93 here in houston. Im considering the E blend but I will wait for the Stage 1 to be on and see what power we can get from it first. Its weird how some LNF's can handle the timing and some cant.
I was at a meet where a TF car with the rich Lambda and 14* peak timing actually put down more whp. So it's all relative
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Originally Posted by BYT*SS*TURBO
I was at a meet where a TF car with the rich Lambda and 14* peak timing actually put down more whp. So it's all relative
Thats pretty cool. Yeah, I understand it's all about finding that happy medium. You guys are great at what you do


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