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05-10-2011, 11:11 PM
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i love how people are bitching at the price.. but have no problem buying a 500$ catback that does little to nothing..200-300 intakes that need heavy amount of tuning to work right (when the airbox mod, that zzp did a write up on might i add, makes very similar gains for a fraction of the cost and no tune modification is required), and hahn d **** that is over priced.. and **** that does very little for hp but when someone comes out with a direct bolt on turbo that is a direct bolt on and that has a window of power 50whp+ what the stock turbo can do .. for 1200 bux.. some how THATS the bad deal where people draw the line..
05-10-2011, 11:36 PM
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I don't think it's a bad deal. I think it helps fill the gap between our upcoming EFR offering and the stock turbo. I only posted to put a stop to the 75whp gain claim before it started running rampant. Your 50whp number seems reasonable at this point, but more data is needed.
75 will need other mods.. cams, ported head, and some more boost should help but it also could hurt
05-10-2011, 11:50 PM
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lol shut the **** up.. you're not steering anyone in any direction aside from the " this dudes an ignorant ***** who thinks he's all that I'm going to steer clear of him" direction
400+ whp on street tires is more then enough.. the ability to run low 11's is more then most people need at the twitch of a foot.. no what cares what you think is "fast" so do us all a favor, pack up your e-peen and get the **** out of this thread kthxbai. most cobalt owners dont even have 400 whp.. so by your logic. someone with 400 whp should be already going in the right direction i can probably count on my fingers and toes of cobalts who have pushed over 400 whp including shop cars
400+ whp on street tires is more then enough.. the ability to run low 11's is more then most people need at the twitch of a foot.. no what cares what you think is "fast" so do us all a favor, pack up your e-peen and get the **** out of this thread kthxbai. most cobalt owners dont even have 400 whp.. so by your logic. someone with 400 whp should be already going in the right direction i can probably count on my fingers and toes of cobalts who have pushed over 400 whp including shop cars
05-11-2011, 12:05 AM
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To get a real comparison I need to get a fully bolted car on the 50/50 mix and stock turbo to dyno down here on the exact dyno. Or I have to drive 2 hours to the dyno jet and pull a comparison sheet.
I am all about real numbers so I am not going to do any ricer math here. 75WHP should be achievable without cams. I just need to get more data. Nothing personal against ZZP earlier, I just got rubbed a little wrong by the way you were coming across in this thread. I am sure the BBB can be manipulated, I have had nothing but good customer service from ya'll when I have had to use it.
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05-11-2011, 12:17 AM
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and 260 whp.. and 360 wtrq.. because i only had 7 psi at redline.. i now have 11 psi at redline. soo yea.. lol that should make me l33t fast just lyke j00
everything i've tried? yea ok lol i've tried procharged which i had issues with .. but was pushing 39 lb/min.. then wanted something more reliable .. so i went turboed and pushing 32-33 lb/min .. i fail to see how doubling the hp of a car is doing it wrong but if you say so boss
05-11-2011, 04:29 AM
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I am still interested in the power you will be getting. Are you on a 50/50 blend with the BNR yet or are you running 91 only still?
05-11-2011, 08:31 AM
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This is what I find funny, people bitch and moaned about numbers before they would buy the BNR turbos.
The 2860 wasn't much better then the stock K04 from results and instantly assumed the BNR 2871 wasn't going to be up to par.
So BNR 2871 numbers get posted with excellent results for all the whiney asses and people are complaining still, why?
Hell Drew even dyno'd it on a Mustang dyno and with compared results to other modified cars the same day.
I don't recall anyone saying the BNR 2871 was going to be a +400 whp turbo (although its very possible fromt he looks of it), it has always been talked about being a 400 whp turbo,
7 whp off isn't bad imo.
Like Matt pointed out it will fit right in a niche between the stock K04 and the ZZP upcoming EFR bolt on. I'm sure price will reflect that, but to be fair more power cost more money, hp isn't free (unless you count stickers) .
If you want the BNR 2871 turbo buy it, if not stick to your stocker, buy a turbo kit, or wait for the upcoming ZZP EFR turbo.
The 2860 wasn't much better then the stock K04 from results and instantly assumed the BNR 2871 wasn't going to be up to par.
So BNR 2871 numbers get posted with excellent results for all the whiney asses and people are complaining still, why?
Hell Drew even dyno'd it on a Mustang dyno and with compared results to other modified cars the same day.
I don't recall anyone saying the BNR 2871 was going to be a +400 whp turbo (although its very possible fromt he looks of it), it has always been talked about being a 400 whp turbo,
7 whp off isn't bad imo.
Like Matt pointed out it will fit right in a niche between the stock K04 and the ZZP upcoming EFR bolt on. I'm sure price will reflect that, but to be fair more power cost more money, hp isn't free (unless you count stickers
) .If you want the BNR 2871 turbo buy it, if not stick to your stocker, buy a turbo kit, or wait for the upcoming ZZP EFR turbo.
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05-11-2011, 08:37 AM
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Sorry to interrupt, but have you ever done logging on a car after doing the airbox mod? I can assure you all is not fine and dandy after that mod and does require some adjustments.
05-11-2011, 08:51 AM
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Didn't ZZP make a claim that their ported head and cam package adds 100whp? But that was based on stock tune vs that package with a tune. So it's not ok to do the same with this turbo now?
05-11-2011, 09:03 AM
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05-11-2011, 10:03 AM
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Is that question for me? If so, I don't agree because the claims were based on the potential of the K04 vs. the 2871.
05-11-2011, 10:30 AM
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05-11-2011, 10:51 AM
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awww you trolled some more to find something against me to attempt to insult me .. i'm not mad.. lol you really think you're the **** dont you lol ..
and 260 whp.. and 360 wtrq.. because i only had 7 psi at redline.. i now have 11 psi at redline. soo yea.. lol that should make me l33t fast just lyke j00
everything i've tried? yea ok lol i've tried procharged which i had issues with .. but was pushing 39 lb/min.. then wanted something more reliable .. so i went turboed and pushing 32-33 lb/min .. i fail to see how doubling the hp of a car is doing it wrong but if you say so boss
and 260 whp.. and 360 wtrq.. because i only had 7 psi at redline.. i now have 11 psi at redline. soo yea.. lol that should make me l33t fast just lyke j00
everything i've tried? yea ok lol i've tried procharged which i had issues with .. but was pushing 39 lb/min.. then wanted something more reliable .. so i went turboed and pushing 32-33 lb/min .. i fail to see how doubling the hp of a car is doing it wrong but if you say so boss
05-11-2011, 10:57 AM
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This is what I find funny, people bitch and moaned about numbers before they would buy the BNR turbos.
The 2860 wasn't much better then the stock K04 from results and instantly assumed the BNR 2871 wasn't going to be up to par.
So BNR 2871 numbers get posted with excellent results for all the whiney asses and people are complaining still, why?
The 2860 wasn't much better then the stock K04 from results and instantly assumed the BNR 2871 wasn't going to be up to par.
So BNR 2871 numbers get posted with excellent results for all the whiney asses and people are complaining still, why?
I do agree however with your other points. Now that we have numbers on the 2871 theres no reason for ppl to doubt what it can do and how it performs. Those are damn good numbers for a bolt on turbo and should make lots of cobalt owners very happy.
Not everyone is looking to put down 450+ hp on a FWD platform
05-11-2011, 11:07 AM
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That's all Im saying. You are comparing something a certain way to promote it a certain way then saying the same can't be done in this situation.
05-11-2011, 11:09 AM
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But if peak numbers dont matter then no one shoulg be counting their peak K04 numbers either
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05-11-2011, 11:16 AM
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i think what you meant to say is maybe you could keep up with your stock supercharger when i ws on 7 psi lol you really are an idiot man
05-11-2011, 11:27 AM
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let try to get this **** back on topic
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05-11-2011, 11:40 AM
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The turbo just doesn't go away an come back. There is something limiting flow at that RPM. Could be not enough timing, too much timing, Knock retard, factory boost control issues. Its hard to know exactly whats going on 100% when someone is remote tuning. If the boost is staying solid at 26 psi, there is definately something going on that is causing the dip especially if the dip goes away in higher RPM's.
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