Bnr k04-gt28
07-17-2011, 03:58 PM
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Part of the reason I'm still leaning towards the EFR is I don't want to have to run 26+psi to achieve my goal of 400-420 whp. I'm thinking it can be done at around 22-23 psi.
Congrats to the ppl running the bnr and making power tho
Congrats to the ppl running the bnr and making power tho
07-17-2011, 07:56 PM
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26 PSI is well within the efficiency range of the BNR. Its not overworked at all, just because you run a lower PSI on a turbo doesn't mean **** wont break. Have fun spending another 1500.00 to get the sale amount of power a few PSI lower.
07-17-2011, 08:47 PM
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Until official pricing is released we can only speculate. If the EFR comes in under $2k then its win. Figure Id spend around $1200 on the BNR PLUS I have to give up my stock turbo. Then I need a BOV, so figure around $250 for something quality. Then I need a bov flange welded to my pipe so say $75 for the flange and labor. Now were at $1525-Now what if I want to keep my stock piece? Whats the core charge? Id figure around $300 seeing as thats about what they go for online. So now were at $1825.
IF, IF, IF the EFR winds up being $2000-Seeing as a stock 6758 retails for $1400 Id think thats a pretty good guess-AND I now get to keep my stock turbo. If I wanted I could sell the stocker for say $200 and would end up paying the same as I would for the BNR and would have a turbo with a heck of a lot more tech put into it.
These are my thoughts and is all going to depend on what price point ZZP comes up with. Im not trying to start a pissing match. I think if the BNR was 1200 and you didnt need to give up the K04 then you would have a bargain. Time will tell. So far my patience has served me well on all my other parts purchases.
edit: drewbroo do you have a compressor map for the BNR(I cant find one) or are you basing the efficiency of of the regular 2871r map?
IF, IF, IF the EFR winds up being $2000-Seeing as a stock 6758 retails for $1400 Id think thats a pretty good guess-AND I now get to keep my stock turbo. If I wanted I could sell the stocker for say $200 and would end up paying the same as I would for the BNR and would have a turbo with a heck of a lot more tech put into it.
These are my thoughts and is all going to depend on what price point ZZP comes up with. Im not trying to start a pissing match. I think if the BNR was 1200 and you didnt need to give up the K04 then you would have a bargain. Time will tell. So far my patience has served me well on all my other parts purchases.
edit: drewbroo do you have a compressor map for the BNR(I cant find one) or are you basing the efficiency of of the regular 2871r map?
07-17-2011, 09:31 PM
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Until official pricing is released we can only speculate. If the EFR comes in under $2k then its win. Figure Id spend around $1200 on the BNR PLUS I have to give up my stock turbo. Then I need a BOV, so figure around $250 for something quality. Then I need a bov flange welded to my pipe so say $75 for the flange and labor. Now were at $1525-Now what if I want to keep my stock piece? Whats the core charge? Id figure around $300 seeing as thats about what they go for online. So now were at $1825.
IF, IF, IF the EFR winds up being $2000-Seeing as a stock 6758 retails for $1400 Id think thats a pretty good guess-AND I now get to keep my stock turbo. If I wanted I could sell the stocker for say $200 and would end up paying the same as I would for the BNR and would have a turbo with a heck of a lot more tech put into it.
These are my thoughts and is all going to depend on what price point ZZP comes up with. Im not trying to start a pissing match. I think if the BNR was 1200 and you didnt need to give up the K04 then you would have a bargain. Time will tell. So far my patience has served me well on all my other parts purchases.
edit: drewbroo do you have a compressor map for the BNR(I cant find one) or are you basing the efficiency of of the regular 2871r map?
IF, IF, IF the EFR winds up being $2000-Seeing as a stock 6758 retails for $1400 Id think thats a pretty good guess-AND I now get to keep my stock turbo. If I wanted I could sell the stocker for say $200 and would end up paying the same as I would for the BNR and would have a turbo with a heck of a lot more tech put into it.
These are my thoughts and is all going to depend on what price point ZZP comes up with. Im not trying to start a pissing match. I think if the BNR was 1200 and you didnt need to give up the K04 then you would have a bargain. Time will tell. So far my patience has served me well on all my other parts purchases.
edit: drewbroo do you have a compressor map for the BNR(I cant find one) or are you basing the efficiency of of the regular 2871r map?
cut the hole on your IC pipe yourself and take the IC pipe to a welder to have the flange welded on for a whooping $20.I'm anxious for the EFR also, but the difference is by the time the EFR comes out (speculation on my part is that it will be the beginning of next year), I will have already had my BNR 2871GT for at least 1 year, if not more if its delayed
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07-17-2011, 10:17 PM
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Yeah, same here. I havent posted up on the thread anymore cause I didnt see anymore questions about it. On my end, everything is running well and havent had any issues with the turbo AT ALL. Its great. I want to move to a 50/50 mix soon and do some more tuning. This turbo is exactly what I wanted for my car 
07-17-2011, 10:36 PM
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For a NEW Tial Q with flange kit its only $250 cut the hole on your IC pipe yourself and take the IC pipe to a welder to have the flange welded on for a whooping $20.
I'm anxious for the EFR also, but the difference is by the time the EFR comes out (speculation on my part is that it will be the beginning of next year), I will have already had my BNR 2871GT for at least 1 year, if not more if its delayed
cut the hole on your IC pipe yourself and take the IC pipe to a welder to have the flange welded on for a whooping $20.I'm anxious for the EFR also, but the difference is by the time the EFR comes out (speculation on my part is that it will be the beginning of next year), I will have already had my BNR 2871GT for at least 1 year, if not more if its delayed
07-17-2011, 11:59 PM
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TIAL 50MM Q BLOW OFF VALVE BOV 8 PSI BLACK *VERSION 2* | eBay
Where I got mine, its an authentic Tial and I got it shipped for $250
Make sure you order the one with the spring you need.
Where I got mine, its an authentic Tial and I got it shipped for $250
Make sure you order the one with the spring you need.
07-18-2011, 10:23 AM
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but i need people to buy the **** i have for sale.. so i can buy some more parts.. i spent alot of f'in money last month between vaca and my car. lol so i'm on a bit of a freeze after i get it back lol. yea it should get me there.. I just want to feel boost again lol my dd is painfully slow lol
07-27-2011, 10:04 AM
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headaches lol .. the outlet of the turbo hit the firewall couldnt clock the housing cuz the vacuum fitting on the housing would hit the manifold ... some modifications had to be done.. but i think it's on the car.
anyone thinking of doing this swap on an ion.. ask BNR to not weld the 3" extention on or if he can weld it at a 45* angle
i should be getting it back thursday or friday long as nothing else changes
anyone thinking of doing this swap on an ion.. ask BNR to not weld the 3" extention on or if he can weld it at a 45* angle
i should be getting it back thursday or friday long as nothing else changes
07-27-2011, 11:05 AM
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headaches lol .. the outlet of the turbo hit the firewall couldnt clock the housing cuz the vacuum fitting on the housing would hit the manifold ... some modifications had to be done.. but i think it's on the car.
anyone thinking of doing this swap on an ion.. ask BNR to not weld the 3" extention on or if he can weld it at a 45* angle
i should be getting it back thursday or friday long as nothing else changes
anyone thinking of doing this swap on an ion.. ask BNR to not weld the 3" extention on or if he can weld it at a 45* angle
i should be getting it back thursday or friday long as nothing else changes
****, now you should actually be able to beat my slobalt for once..
07-27-2011, 03:16 PM
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headaches lol .. the outlet of the turbo hit the firewall couldnt clock the housing cuz the vacuum fitting on the housing would hit the manifold ... some modifications had to be done.. but i think it's on the car.
anyone thinking of doing this swap on an ion.. ask BNR to not weld the 3" extention on or if he can weld it at a 45* angle
i should be getting it back thursday or friday long as nothing else changes
anyone thinking of doing this swap on an ion.. ask BNR to not weld the 3" extention on or if he can weld it at a 45* angle
i should be getting it back thursday or friday long as nothing else changes
Keep us posted man! Ive been lazy on the tuning LOL I fixed my timing issue and I should have kept tuning after that but I have been busy with other stuff. Its fast enough for me for now
07-27-2011, 05:33 PM
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Well, some growing pains are to be expected but glad that its getting worked out. Did he ask you if you wanted the extension welded on? Good to know that if someone uses it on an ION they should get it without the extended tip.
Keep us posted man! Ive been lazy on the tuning LOL I fixed my timing issue and I should have kept tuning after that but I have been busy with other stuff. Its fast enough for me for now
Keep us posted man! Ive been lazy on the tuning LOL I fixed my timing issue and I should have kept tuning after that but I have been busy with other stuff. Its fast enough for me for now
i'll post pics of the setup soon as i can get some i'm hoping to do a photoshoot with the car when i get it back.. but some dumb **** ran over my bumper when i was sitting out side the shop. so now i need a new front bumper lol.. i'll be getting the car back on friday though at the least maybe tomorrow. depending on how i feel lol everythings done except the detail lol
07-27-2011, 06:18 PM
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I was looking at a pic of a crate engine LHU and there seems to be something that looks like it may be a secondary HPFP on the exhaust cam...anyone think maybe we might be able to do an LHU head/LNF botom end hybrid? lol May solve our full E prob and feed a large turbo too. Just an idea...
Are the cylinders and pistons the same in the LHU ?
Obviously the cams are different if it's got another HPFP, which it looks to me like that is exactly what it is ...
Or it's an intermediate fuel pump so 3 pumps to make it run .. LOL
07-27-2011, 06:43 PM
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More info on the LHU Head swap ?
Are the cylinders and pistons the same in the LHU ?
Obviously the cams are different if it's got another HPFP, which it looks to me like that is exactly what it is ...
Or it's an intermediate fuel pump so 3 pumps to make it run .. LOL
Are the cylinders and pistons the same in the LHU ?
Obviously the cams are different if it's got another HPFP, which it looks to me like that is exactly what it is ...
Or it's an intermediate fuel pump so 3 pumps to make it run .. LOL
Your talking about this right???
07-27-2011, 08:37 PM
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Those of you with the BNR 2871GT, keep and eye on the exhaust manifold to turbo spacer copper gasket and spacer to turbo copper gasket.
When I took mine off turbo off today, both the gaskets had already started tearing and they were in really rough shape.
I would suggest 2 stockers for the spacer when (not if) you replace them.
When I took mine off turbo off today, both the gaskets had already started tearing and they were in really rough shape.
I would suggest 2 stockers for the spacer when (not if) you replace them.
07-27-2011, 11:05 PM
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Those of you with the BNR 2871GT, keep and eye on the exhaust manifold to turbo spacer copper gasket and spacer to turbo copper gasket.
When I took mine off turbo off today, both the gaskets had already started tearing and they were in really rough shape.
I would suggest 2 stockers for the spacer when (not if) you replace them.
When I took mine off turbo off today, both the gaskets had already started tearing and they were in really rough shape.
I would suggest 2 stockers for the spacer when (not if) you replace them.
@ PrincessTurbo
That thing on the head isnt an extra HPFP I learned. Its just an aux vac pump for accessories it turns out. The head and internals are the same as the LNF. Everything about the LHU is the same except for the slightly diff turbo and maybe the injectors since its a flex fuel vehicle. Oh, it also has a fuel composition sensor that auto detects what type of fuel is in the tank and even what percentage of E is in there. Also, it has a Delphi ECU whereas we have a Bosch. Vince said it was nicer working on the new Delphi's than the Bosch's lol I am wondering if maybe the HPFP on the LHU has been modded to flow more fuel than the HPFP on the LNF...or mabe its just the injectors like we all suspect. We wont know til someone swaps'em out and gives them a try
07-27-2011, 11:54 PM
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Those of you with the BNR 2871GT, keep and eye on the exhaust manifold to turbo spacer copper gasket and spacer to turbo copper gasket.
When I took mine off turbo off today, both the gaskets had already started tearing and they were in really rough shape.
I would suggest 2 stockers for the spacer when (not if) you replace them.
When I took mine off turbo off today, both the gaskets had already started tearing and they were in really rough shape.
I would suggest 2 stockers for the spacer when (not if) you replace them.
07-28-2011, 01:28 AM
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So, is there a forum for Buick Regal turbos where someone will help us out? Do you think I could go to a dealership and buy the new injectors? You guys mentioned that its the same head/ block. Do you think they changed the connections to the injectors since its a Delphi ECM?