Direct bolt-on turbo (ko4 replacement)
08-27-2013 | 01:09 PM
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08-27-2013 | 01:31 PM
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Usually its 60-130, and you can start at 40 roll or w/e you want. It starts from 60-130 or 100 if you want that's how they measure it. Most people with 600-1000whp use vbox to verify their times. 6speedonline and bimmerboost both have times if you want to compare.
Here's a few from bimmerboost 60-130 times
3.53 - Underground / TT Gallardo / 2-shifts
3.96 - KPG / EVOMS 996TT 1.1% decline with 0-shifts (4th gear pull). RWD, app. 3300 lbs, E85 at 25 psi (app. 850 rwhp).
4.09 - Acicchelli / TT Gallardo / 1-shift
4.52 - jbsteven / SC&TT Ford GT 994 rwhp / 1-shift
4.53 - HoustonT / 880 rwhp Supra / 1-shift
4.87 - Oz / Supra / 1-shift
5.07 - TwinTurboM3 / TT E46 M3 @ 25psi / 1-shift
5.14 - Hllywood / TT Viper / 93 octane/ 2-shifts
5.27 – Lil Powell / C5 Vette with big motor and NOS
5.74 - Divexxtreme / Supercharged C6 Z06 / 1-shift
5.88 - Blacksheep / Supercharged C6 Z51 Corvette / 1-shift
6.59 - DadsC63 / C63 AMG, MHP v4 CDT, MHP LT Headers & Mids, MHP 3" Race Catback + Xpipe, MHP Thermostat, 125 shot nitrous, CF hood/trunk, Race Gas, DR's GRAPH
6.65 - Acicchelli / Renntech SLR
6.66 - Dad's C63 - C63 AMG - MHP Tune, 125 shot nitrous
6.85 - gringointegra / TC'd Acura Integra, 1-shift
6.89 - Vrybad / C5 Z06TT (APS Turbo, no cats, stock muffler, 573 rwhp @ 9.5 psi) / 1-shift
6.93 - GTRHU / Nissan GTR / Cobb AP NIS-006, GTC custom map, E85 map running, JoeGr Beta LC map, GTC catless downpipe, Titek sus midpipe, HKS legamax catback, Forge actuator(red spring), ID1000cc injectors, Custom 76mm intake, HKS spark plugs, Greddy Intercoolers, Harman Motive IC hardpipe kit. GRAPH
7.05 - Divexxtreme / 2010 GT-R, Switzer cat-back exhaust, drop-in air filters and Switzer 100 octane tune, peak boost 18 psi
7.24 - Acicchelli / Stock SLR
7.48 - Acicchelli / Renntech SL65 AMG
7.59 - Blacksheep / C6 Corvette Z51 (heads/cam, 484 rwhp) / 2-shifts
7.74 - 458 Italia, stock / GRAPH
7.74 - HoustonT / GT-R / 640 HP (downpipes, y-pipe, BC, hard IC pipes, custom tune)
7.85 - Acicchelli / Stock LP640 / 2-shifts
7.86 - Divexxtreme / Stock C6 Z06 / 2-shifts
7.95 - Byzantine / '06 Gallardo 6-MT, catless exhaust & 105lb weight reduction, 2-shifts
8.00 - loco cinco cinco / W211 E55, OE Custom tune, 180mm Pulley, 82mmTB, Kleemann Headers with full 3" Exhaust, Labonte Meth kit, 16" e320 wheels, Quaiffe Diff.
8.04 - MPH / SL65 / MHP Tune / DR's GRAPH
8.16 - 930chas / E55 AMG, Evo 178 Pulley, 82mm TB, OE Tuning Tune, Labonte S2 Methanol Injection, Quaife LSD, exhaust, headers GRAPH
8.19 - Jeremy - OE tuned C63 AMG / Gintani full exhaust and headers, K&N, 100 oct, DR's GRAPH
8.24 - DrivenAgain / CL600 AMG
8.31 - biglare / SC'd E90 M3 DCT / 2-shifts
8.41 - TMC CL65, '09 CTS-V with 8.6" pulley, CAI, LS7 ported TB, headers w/ cats, heat exchanger
8.40 - bassn_07, E5 with full bolt-ons
8.45 - TMC CL65 / Kleeman CL65
8.46 - Dads C63 / MHP - L/T Headers, Heads, Tune, intake gaskets, C/F airbox with K&N Filters.
8.58 - Jeremy - OE tuned C63 AMG / Gintani full exhaust and headers, K&N, 91 oct GRAPH
9.41 - Propain - C63 AMG, OE Tuning tune, DR's, Race Gas, airbox mod/filter GRAPH
9.42 - Easy2Speed / stock 2010 CTS-V / 1-shift
9.65 - DD GT3 RD - 997.2 GT3 - Sharwerks muffler delete GRAPH
9.67 - Propain - C63 AMG, OE Tuning tune, DR's, Race Gas, airbox mod/filter GRAPH
9.74 - JonsC63AMG, OE Tuning tune, GRAPH
9.79 - DD GT3 RD - Stock C63 w/ P31, 91 oct GRAPH
9.92 - Byzantine / '06 Gallardo 6-MT, 2-shifts
10.13- Acicchelli / Stock F430 / 3-shifts
Here's a few from bimmerboost 60-130 times
3.53 - Underground / TT Gallardo / 2-shifts
3.96 - KPG / EVOMS 996TT 1.1% decline with 0-shifts (4th gear pull). RWD, app. 3300 lbs, E85 at 25 psi (app. 850 rwhp).
4.09 - Acicchelli / TT Gallardo / 1-shift
4.52 - jbsteven / SC&TT Ford GT 994 rwhp / 1-shift
4.53 - HoustonT / 880 rwhp Supra / 1-shift
4.87 - Oz / Supra / 1-shift
5.07 - TwinTurboM3 / TT E46 M3 @ 25psi / 1-shift
5.14 - Hllywood / TT Viper / 93 octane/ 2-shifts
5.27 – Lil Powell / C5 Vette with big motor and NOS
5.74 - Divexxtreme / Supercharged C6 Z06 / 1-shift
5.88 - Blacksheep / Supercharged C6 Z51 Corvette / 1-shift
6.59 - DadsC63 / C63 AMG, MHP v4 CDT, MHP LT Headers & Mids, MHP 3" Race Catback + Xpipe, MHP Thermostat, 125 shot nitrous, CF hood/trunk, Race Gas, DR's GRAPH
6.65 - Acicchelli / Renntech SLR
6.66 - Dad's C63 - C63 AMG - MHP Tune, 125 shot nitrous
6.85 - gringointegra / TC'd Acura Integra, 1-shift
6.89 - Vrybad / C5 Z06TT (APS Turbo, no cats, stock muffler, 573 rwhp @ 9.5 psi) / 1-shift
6.93 - GTRHU / Nissan GTR / Cobb AP NIS-006, GTC custom map, E85 map running, JoeGr Beta LC map, GTC catless downpipe, Titek sus midpipe, HKS legamax catback, Forge actuator(red spring), ID1000cc injectors, Custom 76mm intake, HKS spark plugs, Greddy Intercoolers, Harman Motive IC hardpipe kit. GRAPH
7.05 - Divexxtreme / 2010 GT-R, Switzer cat-back exhaust, drop-in air filters and Switzer 100 octane tune, peak boost 18 psi
7.24 - Acicchelli / Stock SLR
7.48 - Acicchelli / Renntech SL65 AMG
7.59 - Blacksheep / C6 Corvette Z51 (heads/cam, 484 rwhp) / 2-shifts
7.74 - 458 Italia, stock / GRAPH
7.74 - HoustonT / GT-R / 640 HP (downpipes, y-pipe, BC, hard IC pipes, custom tune)
7.85 - Acicchelli / Stock LP640 / 2-shifts
7.86 - Divexxtreme / Stock C6 Z06 / 2-shifts
7.95 - Byzantine / '06 Gallardo 6-MT, catless exhaust & 105lb weight reduction, 2-shifts
8.00 - loco cinco cinco / W211 E55, OE Custom tune, 180mm Pulley, 82mmTB, Kleemann Headers with full 3" Exhaust, Labonte Meth kit, 16" e320 wheels, Quaiffe Diff.
8.04 - MPH / SL65 / MHP Tune / DR's GRAPH
8.16 - 930chas / E55 AMG, Evo 178 Pulley, 82mm TB, OE Tuning Tune, Labonte S2 Methanol Injection, Quaife LSD, exhaust, headers GRAPH
8.19 - Jeremy - OE tuned C63 AMG / Gintani full exhaust and headers, K&N, 100 oct, DR's GRAPH
8.24 - DrivenAgain / CL600 AMG
8.31 - biglare / SC'd E90 M3 DCT / 2-shifts
8.41 - TMC CL65, '09 CTS-V with 8.6" pulley, CAI, LS7 ported TB, headers w/ cats, heat exchanger
8.40 - bassn_07, E5 with full bolt-ons
8.45 - TMC CL65 / Kleeman CL65
8.46 - Dads C63 / MHP - L/T Headers, Heads, Tune, intake gaskets, C/F airbox with K&N Filters.
8.58 - Jeremy - OE tuned C63 AMG / Gintani full exhaust and headers, K&N, 91 oct GRAPH
9.41 - Propain - C63 AMG, OE Tuning tune, DR's, Race Gas, airbox mod/filter GRAPH
9.42 - Easy2Speed / stock 2010 CTS-V / 1-shift
9.65 - DD GT3 RD - 997.2 GT3 - Sharwerks muffler delete GRAPH
9.67 - Propain - C63 AMG, OE Tuning tune, DR's, Race Gas, airbox mod/filter GRAPH
9.74 - JonsC63AMG, OE Tuning tune, GRAPH
9.79 - DD GT3 RD - Stock C63 w/ P31, 91 oct GRAPH
9.92 - Byzantine / '06 Gallardo 6-MT, 2-shifts
10.13- Acicchelli / Stock F430 / 3-shifts
08-27-2013 | 02:30 PM
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True, I'm sure we all know that LOL. I'm just going by what everyone else does so I'll start my rolls at 40.
08-29-2013 | 10:14 PM
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so this is getting a little off topic, but , everyone that has posted up crazy fast 3-4 second 60-100 rolls is starting at 40-50mph and clocking from 60??? that's b.s.
It needs to be get at 60, get in a gear 2 or 3 and punch it with the boost gauge at 0...damn....lol
It needs to be get at 60, get in a gear 2 or 3 and punch it with the boost gauge at 0...damn....lol
08-29-2013 | 10:22 PM
#1431
so this is getting a little off topic, but , everyone that has posted up crazy fast 3-4 second 60-100 rolls is starting at 40-50mph and clocking from 60??? that's b.s.
It needs to be get at 60, get in a gear 2 or 3 and punch it with the boost gauge at 0...damn....lol
It needs to be get at 60, get in a gear 2 or 3 and punch it with the boost gauge at 0...damn....lol
08-29-2013 | 10:23 PM
#1432
so this is getting a little off topic, but , everyone that has posted up crazy fast 3-4 second 60-100 rolls is starting at 40-50mph and clocking from 60??? that's b.s.
It needs to be get at 60, get in a gear 2 or 3 and punch it with the boost gauge at 0...damn....lol
It needs to be get at 60, get in a gear 2 or 3 and punch it with the boost gauge at 0...damn....lol
Even if you punch it at 60, you're still moving regardless cause you aren't gonna stop at 60. If you're doing a WOT from a stop you're getting even more momentum then easing into a 60-100 or so. Why is everyone making a big deal about it? Just do what you're comfortable with.
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09-02-2013 | 12:36 AM
#1434
I'm not sure if this is too far off topic but ummm, about zzp's efr turbo upgrade, since it's water cooled dual ceramic ball bearing, is it going to require me to have a water tank in my trunk or something to provide the necessary water to cool it down? LOL sounds like a really dumb question, I know. Sorry but please bare with me. Also, is all those new oil feed line and tubo exhaust manifold upgrade stuff really needed to run that bigger turbo? I'm sure it will be nice and probably recommended but if it's not absolutely necessary, I'd like to save that money and time and skip all that. Basically I would like to know what is REALLY needed for a turbo upgrade. Can I just bolt on the new efr turbo and run it like that? I don't want to spend anymore on the upgrade if I don't have to. Thanks for any help!
09-02-2013 | 12:53 AM
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I'm not really sure where you're reading this to get yourself all sorts of confused my man. The "zfr" is an efr6758 but with a custom turbine casting that will allow the turbo to bolt directly up to the stock manifold. If you ordered an efr6758 (or efr6258) from anywhere else other than zzp (zfr) or pwerks (wr-3) you would need a turbo manifold with a T25 flange to mate the turbo to. Long and short of it, the zfr bolts up directly to the stock manifold.
As far as coolant lines go, you do realize that the stock turbo is also water cooled right? The EFR holds no more coolant than the K04 I believe, so no extra capacity is needed in the least. Even if it was a larger capacity, you would just need to add that little extra bit to the cooling system and not worry about it in the least. ZZP also supplies the new coolant and oil feed lines necessary to make the unit bolt up (although the oil feed line is about 2" too short, so keep that in mind before you install the turbo!).
As far as coolant lines go, you do realize that the stock turbo is also water cooled right? The EFR holds no more coolant than the K04 I believe, so no extra capacity is needed in the least. Even if it was a larger capacity, you would just need to add that little extra bit to the cooling system and not worry about it in the least. ZZP also supplies the new coolant and oil feed lines necessary to make the unit bolt up (although the oil feed line is about 2" too short, so keep that in mind before you install the turbo!).
09-02-2013 | 10:28 AM
#1437
The oil line for the turbo is a tight and snug fit. Its cut just about to exact length and nothing more. I know the lines are all mighty expensive but come on now. Should leave some slack... Lol.
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09-02-2013 | 12:30 PM
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Oh no no, they unfortunately most certainly do not. I wouldn't have said something about it if it wasn't the case. I'm also not the first to have a bit of a fitment issue with the oil feed. Maybe you were somehow fortunate and the line you were supplied with fit with enough slack, or maybe you were content with forcing yours to work somehow.... I'm not. I of course can't speak for everyone who has had this kit, because there obviously seems to be plenty of folks who have had no issues installing the line. I personally sort of question this a bit considering that I would assume all of the lines they made up for this kit are the same length. Makes me wonder how many were forced on and are potential future issues.
Anyways, here's the simple fix on how I dealt with mine. I got a -4 AN male/male adaptor, 2 -4 AN female fittings and cut a small 2" section of 5/16" stainless brake line (it was actually more likely 1/4" considering it was a -4 fitting. It was just scrap I had laying around the shop so I forget exactly.. lol) Flared the ends and called it a day. Now the line has just enough slack in it for me to consider it safe.
Anyways, here's the simple fix on how I dealt with mine. I got a -4 AN male/male adaptor, 2 -4 AN female fittings and cut a small 2" section of 5/16" stainless brake line (it was actually more likely 1/4" considering it was a -4 fitting. It was just scrap I had laying around the shop so I forget exactly.. lol) Flared the ends and called it a day. Now the line has just enough slack in it for me to consider it safe.
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09-02-2013 | 03:38 PM
#1439
Funny thing is my stock coolant and oil lines worked with very little modification on my 25g. I am replacing them with the braided stuff i bought but on a time crunch we reused the stock stuff with little modification
09-02-2013 | 09:32 PM
#1442
Been running the BNR for well over a year now and hitting 25psi almost daily. 29 psi on certain weekends. love this turbo.
My only complaint is that i want more now.
but im still on pump so all i have to do is get tuned on E and i should be happy again for a little bit.
My only complaint is that i want more now.
but im still on pump so all i have to do is get tuned on E and i should be happy again for a little bit.
09-02-2013 | 10:10 PM
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09-02-2013 | 10:15 PM
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I hear ya. I've been running the Zfr since may and I'm not even pushing it at 26lbs daily and I want more. I can always get more parts, get meth, or whatever to make even more power. I love how its a big v8 ego breaker. I've thought about selling it next spring and get a bigger kit, but I love how responsive and aggressive it is at the same time.
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09-02-2013 | 11:54 PM
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When I hear people brag about their 60 - 100 times (that they've either done in the wrong gear, or down a hill, or lied about thier true hp) I hear: "Blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah." It's like a test with no standard means of measurement.
I don't think the trans goes just from quick spool. I think it also has to do with stress x time. You get a quick spike and then it's gone...vs a larger turbo like the efr maintains a greater load (torque) for a longer time.
I made more torque on my stock turbo (434wtq) than on my s256et (406wtq) but the s256et held the torque over a greater portion of the curve and well...boom.
I don't think the trans goes just from quick spool. I think it also has to do with stress x time. You get a quick spike and then it's gone...vs a larger turbo like the efr maintains a greater load (torque) for a longer time.
I made more torque on my stock turbo (434wtq) than on my s256et (406wtq) but the s256et held the torque over a greater portion of the curve and well...boom.
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09-03-2013 | 09:49 PM
#1446
I'm not really sure where you're reading this to get yourself all sorts of confused my man. The "zfr" is an efr6758 but with a custom turbine casting that will allow the turbo to bolt directly up to the stock manifold. If you ordered an efr6758 (or efr6258) from anywhere else other than zzp (zfr) or pwerks (wr-3) you would need a turbo manifold with a T25 flange to mate the turbo to. Long and short of it, the zfr bolts up directly to the stock manifold.
As far as coolant lines go, you do realize that the stock turbo is also water cooled right? The EFR holds no more coolant than the K04 I believe, so no extra capacity is needed in the least. Even if it was a larger capacity, you would just need to add that little extra bit to the cooling system and not worry about it in the least. ZZP also supplies the new coolant and oil feed lines necessary to make the unit bolt up (although the oil feed line is about 2" too short, so keep that in mind before you install the turbo!).
As far as coolant lines go, you do realize that the stock turbo is also water cooled right? The EFR holds no more coolant than the K04 I believe, so no extra capacity is needed in the least. Even if it was a larger capacity, you would just need to add that little extra bit to the cooling system and not worry about it in the least. ZZP also supplies the new coolant and oil feed lines necessary to make the unit bolt up (although the oil feed line is about 2" too short, so keep that in mind before you install the turbo!).
Ok, so I would need the turbo and the oil lines correct? Also, I thought the ko4 was air to air cooled... No?
09-03-2013 | 09:52 PM
#1447
I hear ya. I've been running the Zfr since may and I'm not even pushing it at 26lbs daily and I want more. I can always get more parts, get meth, or whatever to make even more power. I love how its a big v8 ego breaker. I've thought about selling it next spring and get a bigger kit, but I love how responsive and aggressive it is at the same time.
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