Potentially 90whp....nothing to snub at

 

Where's this logic coming from? If that would even be correct, I'm flowing 44-45 lbs, that's 440-450whp. That would be incorrect. That doesn't make sense.

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He was saying a 9 lb/min difference could be 90whp. In reality the difference between the 2 turbos is not almost 100hp difference. Where I could see the s256et really shining would be when both turbos are ran on more boost than 99% of the people on here would run, at which point, upgrading turbos from either would proabably be a good idea anyways.

To me it would interesting seeing someone run the zfr on an LSJ. Lars did, but only for a short while.

 

Honestly the s256et is quite a bit bigger than the zfr. I don't know where u got 49lbs a min for the s256et but on our tuning logs of my car we were seeing 55lbs a min at 26psi and almost 58 at 29psi. SSKev and I have tuned a few zfrs and all of them struggle to hit 400 whp on our dyno at 26psi. One cleared with help from meth. We were able to achieve 449 whp @ 27 psi and 434 @ 26 psi on pump gas on the s256et. It was more than capable of over 500whp on race gas at 29psi. The boost comes in much sooner on the zfr that is for sure. 3 to 400rpm difference. The zfr is a great little turbo. But it is little. I have no idea how zzp got 550 whp on the zfr. Wait i do. 35 psi and e90. Still with all the zfrs blowing up I don't think I would last long being boosted at 27 psi plus.

 

And that's no offense to your tuning Term. There are only three people I would ever let tune my car. Myself SSKev and you.

 

Lol. This guy ^^^

All the zfrs blowing up. There was 2 that were prototypes and another one was Lars and it was a efr on an lsj running 29-30lbs of boost consecutively. They are revised highly now compared to the older ones. You bashed on my times with the zfr before in the drag times thread. I so far beat your awesome 12.96 at 120 whatever on the 256et on street tires spinning. I also proved on a zfr it is capable of high traps at 119 and 120. I posted the slip of my 120 in the thread if you wish to see.

Why do you always have something stupid to say?

Also, you left out some wonderful tuners that I guess would never touch your car. Area47, 09cobaltss01, and a couple others are very reliable. But what do I know once again.

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I think he said 49 for the 6758 and 58 for s256 which is all correct.

 

Yeah there are a lot of good tuners out there yeah I'm just saying who I would let touch my car personally.

My last time at the track I ran a 12.8 at 120 with a 2.3 60 foot. I missed the 1/2 NLS. I missed the 2/3 NLS. And in 3rd we ran into an issue where the boost controller cut off the boost. It has an overboost alarm which I had set way too low and forgot about. So for an entire second we were running NA. It eventually kicked back in. On top of that I had a 215 lb passenger with myself (SSkev my tuner who was logging it) and I'm 210lbs. And I still hit your best time. What are you trying to prove? Lol

Not trying insult you. I made some comments earlier and you were pissed off about it. You tried to defend your 114 mph trap speed saying well the only reason I got 121 was because I cut a 2.5 60 foot. I thought your comment was dumb because in reality a .2 greater 60 foot time isn't going to account for 7mph in trap speed times. Maybe 1/2 mph. And i'm assuming you figured out that these cars love the NLS and there is a huge difference in times and speed when you do NLS them. You'll also figure out that your zfr has lots of spool up and even if you don't nls 1/2 you have lots of go right away. With the s256et if you don't hit the first NLS you hit lag and it takes a second. I never said anything insulting to you even though I thought you were kinda clueless. I just said I thought you didn't know what you are talking about. The reality is that in that 121 mph run on pump gas on a conservative tune I hit all my NLS points perfectly. All my other runs were 118/119 where I granny shifted.

You try to insult my driving which is fine lol. I never professed to be the best driver on here lol. I'm not cmiller8006. It's not easy getting a fwd manual trans car to run great times. And I don't profess to be a mechanic either. I try to help people but there are people who know way more than I do. If I did so then you'd have reason to insult me - go for it. But one thing I have done is pushed my car hard. My tuner and I have worked closely with each other ever since my car had the stock turbo. We started with 27psi on the stock turbo. Then went e85. We have had up to 32lbs of boost running through a stock motor lnf (my car) and it's till kicking today. My car has seen more dyno time and more tunes and more tuning than any other car up here in Canada. We have worked turning EFRS. I have seen the logs. I know exactly how much air they move. We tune the **** out of my car because 1) I don't care if it breaks and 2) we push it so when we tune other peoples cars we know how to make them safe. My car is the experimental car.

Speaking of being stupid you used to be all over the Rakes tunes bandwagon. You used to be one of the masses of idiots who must die to have his tunes. I knew he was an idiot from the start. Professing a 20g was bigger than a s256et. Tuning people with rediculous timing curves (why give someone 26 degrees of timing on e85 when the car stopped making power at 23 degrees). And how he would try to insult my tuner and I over and over again stating we could only get 400whp out of an EFR blah blah. When in reality he sets the timing curves so high that only one pull out of five is without detonation! Some people want to make safe power.

So yeah, you can insult me all you want. When you become an expert go for it, until then take the plank out of your own eye.

 

And the second efr we tuned had a wastegate problem and was leaking like a sob. Donkeyballs blew his up too.

BTW I recently pulled my turbo s256et because I was going to go bigger. After all it did it had absolutely no shaft play. It was a rock. We have seen shaft play on efrs brand new.

 

Lmfao. Seriously? You ran a 12.8@120 on a 2.3 and with those driving conditions you stated. Wow, that would basically mean your car would run approx 11.8 if you hit the NLS cause you did state you lagged for a second... No **** a car will love a NLS. Any car would. Its straight through power.

The point about the 60fts I was making is if you cut a somewhat decent 60 instead of a 2.5 you'll cut more of an accurate time and trap. That shows you're spinning hard off the line or babying it. Then slamming 3-4 hard. Hell. This weekend when I go to beaver springs I'll prove to you it happens. I'll do multiple runs to show it. I'll bog 1-2 and then when it comes to 3-4 I'll romp it so hard. Then again you can't prove something to a rock.

You act like your the only one who beats your car and you don't care if it breaks. That's funny. Last year alone I've had 114 passes on my car. Along with this years and last years hundreds of other pulls and passes, been through various mods, tuners, a trans, and a turbo. They make replacement parts everyday cause things break. Whooped Dee doo. My trans shattered and I didn't do anything but smile and laugh.

Never did I jump on the band wagon of RPT. I clearly stated in a thread I got tuned by him through multiple friend recommendations. I never noticed little things until someone pointed them and that's when I looked else where. Lesson learned.

Hell. My buddy with a gtx3076 subie had to get 2 new turbos from Garrett cause they sent him ones that bad from the factory. Get over yourself man. Not everything is made like gold. **** breaks.

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okay guys, my thread is getting out of hand now...
vids of track times would be great, they speak for themselves...next

 

interested to see a s252 vs ZFR too though...lol

 

Donkeyballs EFR is not blown up at all. It's in my possession along with the rest of his turbo kit. I had the 6758 sent into BorgWarner to be checked and although a few issues were found they fixed them for free and are sending it back to me, in the end I only paid shipping to them. From what I understand buying it from him was that he was just done with the car and didn't want to deal with it. The turbo has no shaft play at all being one of the first EFR 6758's made. Here is what Borg did to it.

"Send the turbo in and I will look it over. If there is something wrong and it can be fixed we will decide how best to proceed."

"I received your turbo Monday the 23rd. The box was undamaged and the turbo appeared to be in good shape. We looked at it closely this morning and found that there were a lot of leaks around the hoses on the compressor cover. The compressor wheel shows a lot of damage as does the compressor housing contour from running with no air filter. We buffed out the damage on the compressor wheel and the compressor cover as best we could. The reason we cannot rebuild the core assembly is the damage it will cause to the titanium aluminide turbine wheel connection to the shaft. The lowest level of service on the EFR turbos is to purchase a core assembly. We do not think you need to do this now. Your turbo should work fine just as it is."

After stating that the turbo has never been ran without a filter to my knowledge this was the response.

"There has been a lot of foreign object damage to the compressor wheel leading edges and cover contour. This should not have a big effect on performance. If you are running an air filter I am not sure how that debris is getting in? Whatever is getting in is large enough to chew up the leading edges of the compressor wheel and the compressor contour? I have buffed it out but you can still clearly see it if you take the cover off."

It'll be in my car in a few months and I'm not going to worry about it seeing that I'll be boosting to 10psi or less. This is on a non built 2.2 LAP F23, want to get it in then the following year build the engine, only looking for 230 whp and a power band thought most of the RPM range. Eventual goal is mid to high 300's on 93.

 

That's a good testament to the durability of these turbos Andrew.

 

I thought I popped my turbo today. Lmfao. Here I blew a whole in my muffler...

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Lol sounds better with the muffler delete anyhow.

 

Not so much with the efr. My exhaust got SOOOO much louder after I switched turbos. It's actually borderline ridiculous.. lol

 

I guess I'll find out then someday when I don't have a K04 haha

 

The stock exhaust actually sounded super good with ant set up I've ran other than the annoying decel gurggles and hiccups I get all the time. I might see about getting an aftermarket one now, but I'm not too sure. Other than that I might see if I can find another stock muffler.

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you have stock exhaust?
Why wouldn't you have a mpx 3" exhaust?

 

ZFR+ built trans = win zfr I think makes the most torque but it needs a better trans becuase it will break it :p

 

Ya stock exhaust. Just never got around to it.

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Awesome. Just started up my car and there's a grinding and ticking sound coming from the turbo. Can't look at it yet cause I work till 5 by its at home sitting. Fuuuuuuuck.

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Damn man, definitely let us know what you find out

 

Lol. It's the turbo gasket. Looks like it's in 3 pieces. I already ordered one from a dealer and should be here tomorrow or Wednesday.



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