Uhhh..yeah I'm aware of all of those things...that was the original intent when I posted this thread in the first place...to make people realize that there is no way to ever remove the "learn down" feature...as stated by Vince at Trifecta And if you read my post at the top of page 3...I already stated that it shouldn't be called "learn down."

 

Oh, ok my bad I though you are stating the opposite. Reading>me.

 

lol it's cool I wish EVERY LNF owner would read that thing from Vince I posted so people understand this computer and so I can stop reading the word's "...get rid of learn down."

 

You and me both. I have posted at least a couple dozen times regarding that misnomer. I wish people would read the important posts.

 

Why is it that if a post is more than 3 sentences long nobody wants to read it or has trouble understanding it. Not every question can be answered in 3 sentences. Read the post at the top of this page and take the time to digest it. I'm not saying anybody else on here is wrong but that post takes it one step further in explaining why aftermarket tuners have been unable to defeat the "learn down" which was written into the "operating system" (think "PC" compared to "MAC") by GM to prevent owner operated hand grenades from driving down the road. GM knew all along what the LNF and it's drive line were capable of so after a little time in the REAL world they gave us LNF owners a gift of true high performance. They gave us a new "operating system", which removed the HP lock, gave us a couple of new sensors capable of supplying the ECU with the data required to make more HP and a new program adding a little HP to boot. Now all our bolt ons will actually be allowed to give us the added power we all paid for. And we keep our warrantee. To all the guys with the big bank accounts that aren't worried about warrantees? I'm jealous! To the guys that would rather have GM buy us a new engine if this one goes BOOM? I'm with you.

 

Yeah I read it and trust me I know a lot about Security on Operating Systems (I have many IT certifications including Security+). Are you aware of Hacking? Because that's what aftermarket tuners do to get beyond the security limitations. Did you not read through Vince's post that I linked to in the OP? The only way to get rid of the "Learn Down" as it's known would be to somehow set the Airflow to Infinity or something along those lines. The Operating System on this car runs a certain way. It bases everything off a few select sensors and runs based on that. Air Flow is a key factor in its readings. So, in the end..it has nothing to do with Security...good try...but Hackers FTW. And the new "Operating System" for the GM Stage kit isn't what you think it is...ask the HHR/Solstice/Sky guys.

Edit: Since you're relating to computers...Let's compare the "new operating system" to USB 2.0 ports vs the original USB...They can read for a Higher Data flow rate...but the still run off the same Windows OS. All the New OS for the LNF does is read for those better sensors. Instead of cutting of Boost/Fuel at the 2 Bar level...it will now cut it at the 3 Bar Level. It still runs on the same Air Flow Based Operating System.

 

That means that nobody except maybe me read your post you just made... oh the irony

Just givin' you a hard time.

Reminds me of a quote from the late Mitch Hedberg: "I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it".

 

Does the superchip programmer remove this learn down feature i purchased one and use it in my ss/tc and it works good but i never knew about this til now???

 

Not sure about the superchips tune or not but the gms1 does disable the learn down feature

 

Holy thread-revival, Batman!

 

You beat me to it lmao

 

Not only a revival but it's now the dumb leading the dumber into unending dumbness. Neither of them read the thread.

 

Nope they sure didn't. **** it I know what I know about it and I got my info from the engineer behind it. But what Vince says goes I guess

 

Wow this thread is ancient! There are a select few people on here that fully understand how this ECU operates (true tuners of the LNF, Term and a few others that have even tuned on top of the stage kit and have seen its inner workings)...and a great many that believe the engineers aren't just making **** up to sell an overpriced tune and sensors...eh...to each their own I suppose.

And Bart...no offense...but your numbers after the stage kit (but before the custom tune) with ALL those parts you have...kinda prove the point of this thread.

 

No I didn't read the thread, I just read the question he asked and answered it....

But I answered the way I did because from what I had read, the stage kit does disable the learn down feature. I'm not trying to spread mis-info. I was going by CED's listing for the kit.
http://www.crateenginedepot.com/Cobalt-Solstice-HHR-Stage-Kit-19212670-P2292C196.aspx?UserID=9447730&SessionID=ifCBLjSE{b Z2OHG1Zdnu

JL-KA~ Am I a *******? maybe when it comes to the LNF, but i'm learning more each day. Thats why I'm here, reading as much as I can. Can't learn if you don't try to. Will I ever know as much about it as some of the elite tuners on here? Probably not. I'm not a complete ******* to a car.

 

What is the learn down feature?

What downpipe is the better choice?

 

This is confusing to be honest... Some say it's removable an some say it's not regardless am i wasting my money on cold airs an charge piping... Ive emailed superchips there closed for the holidays i will post what they tell me.. last time i emailed they said the programmer allowed 25 percent more air flow which would work good with cold airs exhaust intercooler ect.. an should be picking up the add ons an increasing dyno performance should'nt it be?? jan 4 there back and hopefully i will know by then or this proammer is hitting the garbage...

 

cold air intakes are a waste and throw off fuel trims (if not tuned for them). Charge piping is a modest gain at best. Downpipe is the biggest factor. If anything I'd get a downpipe over anything else first and then get tuned.

 

Huh i did'nt know that just had it under a year now an i live in ontario so half that's been storage dam winter sucks! so ya any advice i will take i want to get this thing a rolling... BUT is a road legal aftermarket downpipe gonna be that much better?? if so who makes the best one...

 

I have a cobalt ss 09 and that stage 1 is out because I have the reflash installed

 

that post is from April of last year

 

HOLY **** WHY IS THIS THREAD STILL ALIVE

And i had my stage kit installed before everyone that drives a cobalt cus i dont drive one lol. I have the HHR SS

 

Maybe you should make the font bigger were it says HHR SS, bold it, then underline it, and then change it to a bright neon color that flashes to make it stand out

 

Lulz.

 

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