May have solved 100% E85 on LNF puzzle
#351
I wish I had something to give to you. Lol. The difference in tuning with E85 is you may pass MBT without knowing it. Usually, with gasoline you hit knock around MBT so it can be a useful guide to know when you're close. This might not happen with E85 due to its knock resistance.
I'm going to the dyno tomorrow to optimize the tune for E85. After that I will have something to give you.
I'm going to the dyno tomorrow to optimize the tune for E85. After that I will have something to give you.
#352
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I'm thinking maybe we need to ditch the Bosch E69 and just convert the LNF's to run on the E39 ECM. There's plenty of good tables supported already. Boost control, fuel pressure, injector timing, stoich, etc.
#353
I wish I had something to give to you. Lol. The difference in tuning with E85 is you may pass MBT without knowing it. Usually, with gasoline you hit knock around MBT so it can be a useful guide to know when you're close. This might not happen with E85 due to its knock resistance.
I'm going to the dyno tomorrow to optimize the tune for E85. After that I will have something to give you.
I'm going to the dyno tomorrow to optimize the tune for E85. After that I will have something to give you.
#354
Minimum on the LHU is 272*, is the 240* on the LNF the min or max?
I'm thinking maybe we need to ditch the Bosch E69 and just convert the LNF's to run on the E39 ECM. There's plenty of good tables supported already. Boost control, fuel pressure, injector timing, stoich, etc.
I'm thinking maybe we need to ditch the Bosch E69 and just convert the LNF's to run on the E39 ECM. There's plenty of good tables supported already. Boost control, fuel pressure, injector timing, stoich, etc.
There's nothing wrong with the E69 per-se, just that nobody seems to want to support it. The same tables in the E39 more or less are in the E69 too.
And one advantage it has over all the Delphi cals I've seen is it supports and implements a factory wideband.
#355
In preparation for the E85 frenzy... here is a list of every E85 station in america... according to the feds... Hey the government turned out to be good for something after all...
AFDC Ethanol: E85 Fueling Station Locations
AFDC Ethanol: E85 Fueling Station Locations
#357
I wish I had something to give to you. Lol. The difference in tuning with E85 is you may pass MBT without knowing it. Usually, with gasoline you hit knock around MBT so it can be a useful guide to know when you're close. This might not happen with E85 due to its knock resistance.
I'm going to the dyno tomorrow to optimize the tune for E85. After that I will have something to give you.
I'm going to the dyno tomorrow to optimize the tune for E85. After that I will have something to give you.
E85 is really going to help with the 110 degree temps here in AZ
#364
Quick update in between family commitments on this sunny weekend:
248WHP baseline on my bone stock HHR SS, untuned
301WHP tuned on 92
335WHP tuned on 100% E85
(!)
I couldn't really see the torque gains because my clutch is so iffy as it is, and I had to start my runs at 4000-4500 RPM.
Full report to come later
248WHP baseline on my bone stock HHR SS, untuned
301WHP tuned on 92
335WHP tuned on 100% E85
(!)
I couldn't really see the torque gains because my clutch is so iffy as it is, and I had to start my runs at 4000-4500 RPM.
Full report to come later
#367
FWIW, I found on my own stock car (HPT+ E48) that raising timing above 23* netted me a loss in power. Could very well be different on other cars.
Quick update in between family commitments on this sunny weekend:
248WHP baseline on my bone stock HHR SS, untuned
301WHP tuned on 92
335WHP tuned on 100% E85
(!)
I couldn't really see the torque gains because my clutch is so iffy as it is, and I had to start my runs at 4000-4500 RPM.
Full report to come later
248WHP baseline on my bone stock HHR SS, untuned
301WHP tuned on 92
335WHP tuned on 100% E85
(!)
I couldn't really see the torque gains because my clutch is so iffy as it is, and I had to start my runs at 4000-4500 RPM.
Full report to come later
With regards to longevity of both the motor and rail/injectors, how will opening the injection window affect things?
Last edited by T-Man; 03-19-2011 at 07:36 PM.
#369
Quick update in between family commitments on this sunny weekend:
248WHP baseline on my bone stock HHR SS, untuned
301WHP tuned on 92
335WHP tuned on 100% E85
(!)
I couldn't really see the torque gains because my clutch is so iffy as it is, and I had to start my runs at 4000-4500 RPM.
Full report to come later
248WHP baseline on my bone stock HHR SS, untuned
301WHP tuned on 92
335WHP tuned on 100% E85
(!)
I couldn't really see the torque gains because my clutch is so iffy as it is, and I had to start my runs at 4000-4500 RPM.
Full report to come later
Was that on a completely stock HHR??
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I've found the LNF (using 91 octane...) to be knock limited and MBT was no where to be found as I was only capable of running 13* up top, at most. No crazy boost pressure either.
FWIW, I found on my own stock car (HPT+ E48) that raising timing above 23* netted me a loss in power. Could very well be different on other cars.
What kind of timing did you use in order to achieve what you did with E85? When did you start to ramp it in/where was peak?
With regards to longevity of both the motor and rail/injectors, how will opening the injection window affect things?
FWIW, I found on my own stock car (HPT+ E48) that raising timing above 23* netted me a loss in power. Could very well be different on other cars.
What kind of timing did you use in order to achieve what you did with E85? When did you start to ramp it in/where was peak?
With regards to longevity of both the motor and rail/injectors, how will opening the injection window affect things?
I expect taking the approach of opening the window vs, say raising the rail pressure (all my testing was done at stock rail pressure of 2200psi) will result in less wear on the high pressure components. I've heard of one person having problems with the high pressure pump from raising the rail pressure, and others (including myself) have had unstable rail pressures resulting in periodic P0087 codes.
I also had a chance to try the injection timing stuff on another LNF that was tuned for gasoline on the dyno - advancing the injection timing had basically no effect on the power.
We can offer these tunes now for all LNFs (if we're doing the tuning). The layer isn't finished for 07, 09 and 10 yet, though.
Last edited by VinceTrifecta; 03-20-2011 at 01:46 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost