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Old 03-31-2011 | 12:26 PM
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Yep, I ran quite a bit leaner with 0 KR.
So the million dollar question: Would you say you "took enough off the top" to be able to make the fuel need shimmy under the fuel pump limitation at WOT?
Old 03-31-2011 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by VinceTrifecta
Yep, I ran quite a bit leaner with 0 KR.
You could run E-85 at 1.00 PE Lambda and not get any KR unless you are running way too much advance in the first place.
Old 03-31-2011 | 02:15 PM
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That's got to also be balanced with power output though. If we can't run 0.88 year-round due to the colder/denser air calling for more fuel than the fuel system can provide, and then we lose power as we continue to 1.00, then there needs to be some sort of balance between the two.

I checked on that alternative Bosch HPFP option. Looks like a dead end right now, so this is still the more promising (and cheaper) option.
Old 03-31-2011 | 02:26 PM
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more promising (and cheaper) option.
It's called E60, a 2:1 mix...
Less demand on the fuel system.
No more power to be gained, going from 2:1 E60 to straight E85.
Better cold starting too.
Old 03-31-2011 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 2000Firehawk
It's called E60, a 2:1 mix...
Less demand on the fuel system.
No more power to be gained, going from 2:1 E60 to straight E85.
Better cold starting too.
Worked for me all winter to -10*f already. lol.

Just been trying to go E85 for the no mixing convenience if the same power is to be had. I'm not willing to cut midrange torque (via limiting boost) to go E85 though.
Old 03-31-2011 | 03:07 PM
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Yeah Ive been on the 1:1 and now on 2:1 and it seems to love the 2:1/slightly-bigger turbo combo, better.
Old 03-31-2011 | 03:11 PM
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Yeah Ive been on the 1:1 and now on 2:1 and it seems to love the 2:1/slightly-bigger turbo combo, better.
Alright Cuban... all this 1:1 and 2:1 smack talk is over! It's on!

2:1+2860 vs E85

Let me go fill up first though. I'm almost empty again. LOL
Old 03-31-2011 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Stamina
Alright Cuban... all this 1:1 and 2:1 smack talk is over! It's on!

2:1+2860 vs E85

Let me go fill up first though. I'm almost empty again. LOL
HAHA! Hey now, Im only on my first version of the 2:1 blend tune Not ready to run yet lol

Waiting on Nick to send me a revision....hint hint Nick
Old 03-31-2011 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by VinceTrifecta
Yeah, I buy my E85 in what I believe to be the only E85 station in King County - at Snoqualmie
I'm actually in Sammamish. Snoqualmie isn't too far, but it is kind of inconvenient to go out there for fuel once a week. Thanks
Old 03-31-2011 | 08:33 PM
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The E85 station near where I work no longer has 91 octane gas, only 87 and 89 octane. So much for my plan to run half E85 and half 91 octane.
Old 04-01-2011 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by cubaniche
HAHA! Hey now, Im only on my first version of the 2:1 blend tune Not ready to run yet lol

Waiting on Nick to send me a revision....hint hint Nick
I thought I sent it and you were just waiting to fill up? Ill resend, my bad!
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Trying to lean it out some this time around. If GMS1 can run .95 PE in the midrange, I can try. lol.

Once I see if it's slower, back to E60 I go.
Old 04-01-2011 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by BYT*SS*TURBO
I thought I sent it and you were just waiting to fill up? Ill resend, my bad!
Nope, filled up and logged on Wednesday night. Sent ya both logs like you asked. I know your busy sir. No worries
Old 04-01-2011 | 11:01 AM
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I got the resend and sent a file back already. My bad
Old 04-01-2011 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by BYT*SS*TURBO
I got the resend and sent a file back already. My bad
No worries, thanks Nick!

On a side note, took a pony ride last night in Staminas E-steroid injected monster
It was amazing!
Old 04-01-2011 | 12:39 PM
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So, Today while racing my brother's Turbo Diesel F350 I got a Reduced Engine Power display on the dashboard and now the car wont go past 5700 rpm's without a misfire. All else seems fine, car pulls really hard to that point, seems like there's not enough fuel going in or something. So, a bigger fuel pump might be needed to run past 24 psi on E85.

I tried to put this on the LNF forums but it wont let me, it keeps saying I don't have permission to post new threads. o well, lol
Old 04-01-2011 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MTE
So, Today while racing my brother's Turbo Diesel F350 I got a Reduced Engine Power display on the dashboard and now the car wont go past 5700 rpm's without a misfire. All else seems fine, car pulls really hard to that point, seems like there's not enough fuel going in or something. So, a bigger fuel pump might be needed to run past 24 psi on E85.

I tried to put this on the LNF forums but it wont let me, it keeps saying I don't have permission to post new threads. o well, lol
Did you reset the ECU and get it out of limp mode or did you actually break something?

24psi is pretty high especially for e85
Old 04-01-2011 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Stamina
That's got to also be balanced with power output though. If we can't run 0.88 year-round due to the colder/denser air calling for more fuel than the fuel system can provide, and then we lose power as we continue to 1.00, then there needs to be some sort of balance between the two.

I checked on that alternative Bosch HPFP option. Looks like a dead end right now, so this is still the more promising (and cheaper) option.
1.00 Lambda is ~9.7 A/F on E-85 (lots of extra oxygen allows for a very rich burn comapred to gas) . That and the fact that it is 106 octane makes power loss at 1.00 PE lambda far less than you might think (timing limt can be reached easily on E-47) I run E-47 cars (12.0 Stoich A/F) at 0.88 lambda (10.6 A/F) so that is leaner than E-85 at 1.00 Lambda. Just food for thought. Look at the LNFs lambda efficiency table there is only a 2% difference in calcuated engine torque output at 0.90 lambda vs 1.00 lambda.
Old 04-01-2011 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Terminator2
1.00 Lambda is ~9.7 A/F on E-85 (lots of extra oxygen allows for a very rich burn comapred to gas) . That and the fact that it is 106 octane makes power loss at 1.00 PE lambda far less than you might think (timing limt can be reached easily on E-47) I run E-47 cars (12.0 Stoich A/F) at 0.88 lambda (10.6 A/F) so that is leaner than E-85 at 1.00 Lambda. Just food for thought. Look at the LNFs lambda efficiency table there is only a 2% difference in calcuated engine torque output at 0.90 lambda vs 1.00 lambda.
English please? lol

E87 is half E85 and half 93 octane?

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English please? lol
E87 is half E85 and half 93 octane?
E47 my bad,

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Old 04-01-2011 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MTE
English please? lol

E87 is half E85 and half 93 octane?



E47 my bad,
Yes it is a 50/50mix of gas (E-10 normally) and E-85. E-47 will have 99% of the knock resistance of e-85 and will be happier running at a leaner mixture than E-85. The main PITA is mixing gas and E-85 all the time.
Old 04-01-2011 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by umrdyldo
Did you reset the ECU and get it out of limp mode or did you actually break something?
Yes I did, I know wen to let go wen something goes wrong..
Old 04-01-2011 | 04:45 PM
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Old 04-02-2011 | 12:39 AM
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Just ordered my E85 & Gas tune today with EZ Flash Cable I cant wait to get it!!!
Old 04-02-2011 | 11:19 AM
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Started the process again yesterday, 80% Ethanol in the tank now. Leaned out the midrange and cut a bit of timing in the same areas. 70 - 100 yesterday in 3.8 sec, 24 psi boost. No injector misfire noted. 32% max, 30% for most of the pull. The next fill up will tell the tale though when it's all in. Thanks Matt and Vince for the help.
Old 04-02-2011 | 02:50 PM
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After working out my issues with E85 I am very happy with the power, but my clutch does not like it.
Slipping in 3rd so I am going to have to back off a little power until I can get a better clutch...



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