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Old 08-20-2008 | 02:41 PM
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wonder if the bigger pump from the spped 6/3 cars would work
And what are you going to do with it since there are no Fuel Tables?
Old 08-20-2008 | 03:49 PM
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take fuel out with the maf table. dunno. im just randomly thinking without a file infront of me to back it up
Old 08-20-2008 | 04:02 PM
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first you would have to compare:

interface to the valve cover
camshaft profile difference (piston stroke)

looks like the 3.6 DI CTS pump is out, it flows ~the same/little less than the LNF pump
Old 08-20-2008 | 04:11 PM
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i thought both the speed cars and the lnf cars shared a bosch pump?
Old 08-20-2008 | 04:14 PM
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Old 08-20-2008 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Area47
i thought both the speed cars and the lnf cars shared a bosch pump?
They probably are mostly the same knowing Bosch. I can't find any detailed info on the Mazda version though so I'm going to assume that the interface and stroke are different just because I don't have the proof to know they are the same. Camshaft data should tell you if the pump lobes have the same profile which should mean that the stroke is the same.
Old 08-20-2008 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Area47
i personally think the hpt people need to get with the program. i know for a fact there is a lot more tables that what is being given.
You need to download the latest build, a new one just came out a couple days ago with everything unlocked. And if you need an ecm file go to the hptuners forum, theres one there.
Old 08-20-2008 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by peachpuff
You need to download the latest build, a new one just came out a couple days ago with everything unlocked. And if you need an ecm file go to the hptuners forum, theres one there.
nonono son. He means, we need more tables. They barely show us ANY parameters in HPTuners.
Old 08-20-2008 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by peachpuff
You need to download the latest build, a new one just came out a couple days ago with everything unlocked. And if you need an ecm file go to the hptuners forum, theres one there.
peachfuzz. the hpt files itself. not the PID's, or configs in the HPL stuff.
Old 08-20-2008 | 06:02 PM
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Dear Psykostevo.

When I move out to Phoenix this Winter, Im looking you up for a tune brother!

The End.
Old 08-20-2008 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Psykostevo
nonono son. He means, we need more tables. They barely show us ANY parameters in HPTuners.
You shouldn't need to change many tables to make big power, functionality is the key

Throwing tables in there unmarked with even a name would not be wise on our end just to say we have xx amount of useless parameters
Old 08-20-2008 | 06:24 PM
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Dear Psykostevo.

When I move out to Phoenix this Winter, Im looking you up for a tune brother!

The End.
See you in a couple months!

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You shouldn't need to change many tables to make big power, functionality is the key

Throwing tables in there unmarked with even a name would not be wise on our end just to say we have xx amount of useless parameters
There's usually 60% useless tables in the computer anyhow. We are just used to seeing them.

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Old 08-20-2008 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Psykostevo
There's usually 60% useless tables in the computer anyhow. We are just used to seeing them.
Exactly, we get requests for all sorts of weird tables...I'll give you a for instance, we had a tunershop need a table for the minimum rpm limit for the speed limiter to kick in, basically a company wanted a fleet of vehicles tuned with a speed limiter of 25mph but the speed limiter cannot kick in at under 1500 rpms or something like that(its a stall failsafe employed by gm) but we added it, now will 99.9% of our customers need it? no. Did we put it in there because in one case it was necessary? yes. Functionality. We also had another tunershop need some added fan parameters for a fan swap from mech. to electric, under normal circumbstances there are few people swapping out from mech to electric fans but for functionality we needed to add it.

We are always trying to add things that are necessesary for tuning but just to put things in there just to say they are there & then nobody use them is pointless.
Old 08-20-2008 | 06:41 PM
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Of course I flashed my car Steve, and once again I am thoroughly impressed.

Haven't had a chance to log it, work is getting in the way

Car is a beast...with just a tune and a drop in!
Old 08-20-2008 | 06:57 PM
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Exactly, we get requests for all sorts of weird tables...I'll give you a for instance, we had a tunershop need a table for the minimum rpm limit for the speed limiter to kick in, basically a company wanted a fleet of vehicles tuned with a speed limiter of 25mph but the speed limiter cannot kick in at under 1500 rpms or something like that(its a stall failsafe employed by gm) but we added it, now will 99.9% of our customers need it? no. Did we put it in there because in one case it was necessary? yes. Functionality. We also had another tunershop need some added fan parameters for a fan swap from mech. to electric, under normal circumbstances there are few people swapping out from mech to electric fans but for functionality we needed to add it.

We are always trying to add things that are necessesary for tuning but just to put things in there just to say they are there & then nobody use them is pointless.
I put the useless tables under my pillow at night and hope for the Tuner Fairy to visit so I can get a dollar for each one.

Can you see if the electric fan controls can be added to the LNF?

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Of course I flashed my car Steve, and once again I am thoroughly impressed.

Haven't had a chance to log it, work is getting in the way

Car is a beast...with just a tune and a drop in!
I'll keep you up to date on any changes of course. I have a lot of dyno time this saturday so I'll get you an update afterwards if anything is needed.

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Old 08-20-2008 | 07:03 PM
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Cool.

I love how it is so regular when you are not on it.

And ******* demonic when you get on it...it is absolutely deceptive.


Electric fan control was something I was going to mention
Old 08-20-2008 | 07:05 PM
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Cool.

I love how it is so regular when you are not on it.

And ******* demonic when you get on it...it is absolutely deceptive.


Electric fan control was something I was going to mention
Yeah, there's no reason for 215* coolant after a full run when we used to see 195 at the most on the LSJ. Plus the added fan speed will help the intercooler.
Old 08-20-2008 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Psykostevo
Yeah, there's no reason for 215* coolant after a full run when we used to see 195 at the most on the LSJ. Plus the added fan speed will help the intercooler.
i did this for the cx racing intercooler on my lsj and saw very decent tempatures in drivethrews and long idling periods... i started 80% at 190 and ramped up to 100% by 215...
Old 08-20-2008 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Psykostevo
nonono son. He means, we need more tables. They barely show us ANY parameters in HPTuners.
What more do you need? You can control boost/rpm/timing/cam angles/fuel/maf, i dont see what else is needed.
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Originally Posted by Psykostevo
I put the useless tables under my pillow at night and hope for the Tuner Fairy to visit so I can get a dollar for each one.

Can you see if the electric fan controls can be added to the LNF?
We've looked & didn't find anything that looked anything near fan temp controls in the pcm.
Old 08-20-2008 | 07:39 PM
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What more do you need? You can control boost/rpm/timing/cam angles/fuel/maf, i dont see what else is needed.
Fan control.

Old 08-20-2008 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Psykostevo
Yeah, there's no reason for 215* coolant after a full run when we used to see 195 at the most on the LSJ. Plus the added fan speed will help the intercooler.
Don't think fans will change that, though. Even cruising at a steady 45 the temp never drops below 190-195 range. And with the turbo being water-cooled, high boost will cause the coolant temps to jump up temporarily.

Given how fast the increase is, I would imagine the temp sensor is near the outlet from the turbo. I doubt there's any danger of overheating - just a quick rise to 215-220, and it would settle there as it gets cooled and re-circulated through the system.

All speculation, of course, as I don't know the specifics...Steve, we should monitor the coolant temps on Saturday when we do the dyno pulls. As I recall, it went up fast, but dropped back down to 195 in a matter of seconds.
Old 08-20-2008 | 07:43 PM
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We've looked & didn't find anything that looked anything near fan temp controls in the pcm.
Dammit! Can I give you more money?! I gave you $300 in the last 24 hours, and plenty more on the way this week.

Originally Posted by peachpuff
What more do you need? You can control boost/rpm/timing/cam angles/fuel/maf, i dont see what else is needed.
And no, there's not much fuel control. Solely a Lambda Equation.

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Old 08-20-2008 | 07:45 PM
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Don't think fans will change that, though. Even cruising at a steady 45 the temp never drops below 190-195 range. And with the turbo being water-cooled, high boost will cause the coolant temps to jump up temporarily.

Given how fast the increase is, I would imagine the temp sensor is near the outlet from the turbo. I doubt there's any danger of overheating - just a quick rise to 215-220, and it would settle there as it gets cooled and re-circulated through the system.

All speculation, of course, as I don't know the specifics...Steve, we should monitor the coolant temps on Saturday when we do the dyno pulls. As I recall, it went up fast, but dropped back down to 195 in a matter of seconds.
That is what mine did as well.

I take it he tuned your car eh?

Went up to 210(on a 95* day mind you) at 120MPH

There was a stop about another 1/4 mile down the street and it was already back down to the 195-200 range.
Old 08-20-2008 | 07:57 PM
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That is what mine did as well.

I take it he tuned your car eh?

Went up to 210(on a 95* day mind you) at 120MPH

There was a stop about another 1/4 mile down the street and it was already back down to the 195-200 range.
Yeah...a 22psi romp from 40-100 on a 105 degree day saw IAT2 temps go from 115 to 135, and coolant temps go from 195-215. By the time we came to a stop, both were within a few degrees of normal.


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