AyrtonSenna

Hi all,
Since I'm getting the entire forged block from ZZP, I was wondering if the Darton sleeves can be installed in the girdled block
Thank you

09sscalicobalt

iTrader: (1)

are u asking us or zzp? lol zzp would know and damn you are balling lol

AyrtonSenna

ZZP wasn't giving me an answer because they don't want to install those sleeves in their forged girdled block. But they didn't tell me if it is possible or not

09sscalicobalt

iTrader: (1)

oh yea hmm whys that and im sure it is but id ask somebody like whyumadson or darton to be honest with you

AyrtonSenna

Do you think whyyoumadson would know? The girdled block is made by ZZP. Unless he bought one, I don't know if he can tell me if it is possible. But I may PM him just to see what he says

FasterIsBetter

Look at their explanation on their site for making a girdled block. It clearly shows that the block becomes weakened when resleeved and the girdled block is reinforcing all the weakpoints of the stock sleeves so theres no point in resleeving the block.

AyrtonSenna

They say that resleeving the block weakens it, but I don't know if then, with the girdle, will still be strong to support all the power. A block with sleeves and girdle may be stronger than just sleeved or girdled.

BLAZIN07SS

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zzp can't install their girdle if dartons are used. zzp girdled block tested to 898whp...

AyrtonSenna

They say the bottom of the sleeve is "strong enough" and the top is weak, that's what the girdle is for. I'm wondering, is it possible to make the bottom half strong with the Dartons and top half strong with the girdle?

AyrtonSenna

I don't know if it is a dumb question, but: can I buy the girdled block and then sleeve it with the Darton, since doing it the opposite way is not possible?

drumrush

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this

BLAZIN07SS

iTrader: (7)

the bottom of the sleeve isn't going to break, that's not where combustion and the most pressure occur. look at any broken ecotec block. they all break the top of the sleeve. ignore the dartons. go zzp. you can not mix the two, it is impossible

05Slowline

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lmfao hahaha
are you for real?
they made 900 on their girdled block and blew the headgasket not the motor at that level even.
wow.

AyrtonSenna

I'm asking because since I'm getting the entire block built new, I wanted to get all the parts possible at once. But if it is one or the other, I'm getting the girdle and drop the sleeves

Yes but how ofter they use that car? Only for a few seconds pull or they drive it for 2-3 hours a day?

BLAZIN07SS

iTrader: (7)

it never blew the gasket. it was just lifting the head at 55psi

AyrtonSenna

If that's really the case, sorry Darton. I'm getting the fully built block by zzp with both balancers along with their head/cam combo. That means if it's either girdle or sleeves..... sorry Darton

05Slowline

iTrader: (2)

uhhhhh facepalm.
they were cramming so much boost into the motor that you will never do and it took it apparently...i mean you don't just make 900 on the first pull, needs to be tuned multiple pulls on boost that again your car won't see.

ahh thought it was the gasket lol my bad

KangolRiot

just do what ZZP tells you to do. They know what they are doing. If i could go back I never would have paid for the Darton sleeve kit which cost me close to $2k to get installed. All the advice ZZP has given me so far was 110% correct. If I had listened to them a year ago and gave them my car then I would have had a complete car built to perfection and wouldn’t be still waiting for my car to be complete. I would have also saved a ton of money. Don’t waste your money on getting it sleeved. You won’t ever put down as much as ZZP has and they know the car inside and out. If they don’t want you to install them then it is for good reason.

AyrtonSenna

Ok guys, thank you. I'm doing the full ZZP build. If there is no chance for Dartons, then it was a pleasure to know they make sleeves for the LNF, but.......... no chance then

AyrtonSenna

Damn!! 2k and still waiting for installation? I still wonder how they are, even if I drop the idea. Could you let me know what you think of them when you get your car back please?
Thank you

AyrtonSenna

I still would like Matt M, Zooomer or someone else of their team to chime in just to see what they say. I hope they do.

Stamina

You and me both. My order is already in. I may post up a thread too, once there's more to talk about.

I think you're doing the right thing by doing the girdle and leaving the sleeving thing alone though.

KangolRiot

They are installed now and the car is all together but is having tuning issues or who knows what. It took the machine shop 6 months to sleeve my block for who knows what reason. I can already tell you what I think of them now that I know about ZZP’s girdle block... The Darton Sleeve kit was a mistake as I lost a ton of money and could have had my car built a lot better and stronger for much less money if I were to have just bought ZZP’s Girdled Block. So save your money and buy the best (ZZP’s) and don’t waste your money with the sleeve kit. If this option from ZZP was available a year ago I would have been all over it.

AyrtonSenna

Oh, as far as my full build (complete forged block and head/cam combo) I've already spoken to ZZP about it. They made my mind clear and I know what to do. Just I was wondering if the sleeves and the girdle can go together. For the rest, I got it all clear

05Slowline

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maybe once they stop shaking their head they'll have something to say