AyrtonSenna

I think I will follow your advice. Just the idea of 6 months with no car drives me crazy. I'm getting the full ZZP girdled forged block with both balancers and their head/cam combo. I'll just add to it the Supertech .5mm oversized inconel valves.

AyrtonSenna

Lol who are you referring to?

Stamina

Nice, ok.

I'm still waiting to get a few more questions answered around extras I'll need to purchase to finish everything up, planned building/shipping times, and if that Stage 1 cam that comes with it has the fuel lobe or not (the cam page makes me lean no, but the block ordering page didn't have an option either way). Haven't gotten a call back from them today. I'll be trying again tomorrow.

AyrtonSenna

I hear you. I'm probably getting the fuel lobe with their kit, and the only thing that I will add is the Supertech inconel .5mm oversized valves

elecblue06

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kinda defeats the purpose of the girdled block and i doubt you can do both

AyrtonSenna

Actually, the bigger fuel lobe is shown as an option on their combo for an extra $ 100

AyrtonSenna

Then, my best regards to Mr. Darton, but I'm dropping the idea of getting their sleeves

BTW: when I get it, I'm getting the 2.1 block

AyrtonSenna

What kind of answer are you waiting for from them?

Stamina

I sprung for the "Forged Performance Engine"/Longblock when they were running their Black Friday special, but the fuel lobe wasn't shown as an option when doing it that way and I wanted to see one way or the other. I was hoping for the lobe.

Just those three questions I mentioned.

Stamina

So I guess the cat's pretty much out of the bag now, so I'll go ahead and give the basic details:

Girdled block
Wiseco pistons
ZZP 4340 rods
Neutral balance shafts
ATI balancer
Stage 1 ported head + springs and retainers
Stage 1 cams (hopefully with the fuel lobe... need to talk with them about that)

I bought it as the overall "Forged Performance Engine"/longblock kit they offer. I'm keeping it 2.0L though. Going to use the K04 for a while, and maybe switch to the EFR if/when it comes out. Basically wanted beefed-up reliability, while being able to rev it out for a larger turbo later.

I'm also going to put a beefier clutch in there while I've got everything out, so I've been gathering together my parts list for that as well.

AyrtonSenna

This will be my build:
- ZZP girdled forged block 2.1
- Wiseco 88mm pistons
- Carrillo H-Beam rods
- ZZP neutral balance shaft
- ATI SFI turbo balancer
- ZZP ported head/stage 1 cam combo w/ ZZP valve springs 82#
- Supertech .5mm oversized inconel valves
- ZZP Stage 2 Transmission (still didn't decide it going with the 4.42 ratio or not)
- Driveshaftshop Level 5 axles

It should be done by the first half on 2013

Hope you guys like it

AyrtonSenna

More or less we are getting the same stuff, just I'm getting the 2.1 set up with also the Carrillo rods and the stage 2 transmission

Stamina

Yeah, you'll have to let me know how you like that tranny. The tranny is probably going to be an issue for me soon too. :/

matt638

ballin' is an understatement

Matt M

Sorry, but we can't install our girdle with darton sleeves in the block. As far as installing new sleeves to add strength towards the bottom of the sleeves, it isn't necessary. The bottom of the sleeves is already supported in the block.

AyrtonSenna

Hi Matt,
thank you for your reply. Yes looking around I've already decided to drop the sleeves. So, they are no longer my concern.
Did you look at my post above regarding my build? Can you give me your opinion about it? I'm not ordering the parts and have a local tuner do it, I will ship the car to you
BTW, I've got 2 calls from you guys today but I couldn't pick up at work. I hope someone will call me again tomorrow
Thank you.
Christian

AyrtonSenna

Once my car is built, you bet I will post all the pix and info about it
But it won't be for another year and a half. My build costs about 10k just in parts

Stamina

Wow, okay. I'm going to try to have mine up and running in a month or so. We'll see how well that works out. I've got a feeling I'm going to forget a part or two and am going to have to wait on it/them, slowing down progress, so I'm working to get the list of need-to-haves together now to hopefully avoid that.

I'll be able to maybe reuse some things off my old engine, but other things are either bad practice to reuse or those kinds of things that you might as well replace while you're there.

AyrtonSenna

Just a question: why are you going with ZZP rods?

AyrtonSenna

Do you know what's the hp rating on them? Because I'm thinking to get the Carrillo, which are more than twice the price, and I was wondering the difference between the two.

Stamina

Basically they are well within the realm of capability for what I'm needing. My car's not going to be a drag car or anything. It's been used as a spirited around town car and Road Course car. Even with the EFR, I'm not planning on taking it past the lower 400s probably. I just didn't see any justification for going more expensive on rods that didn't seem to offer any greater advantages for that power range.

Stamina

That would be a question for ZZP. The 898whp run was done with ZZP rods if I remember right. I figure if they can do that without any damage to them, then running sub-450whp long term shouldn't be an issue. lol

AyrtonSenna

So since I'm looking to be in the 600whp range, do you think the ZZP rods would be ok or I'm making the right choice with the Carrillos?

Wow interesting. Ok, I guess I'll ask Matt about it. Thank you

Stamina

I couldn't answer that for you. That would be a ZZP question. Granted they made 898whp on the ZZP rods, but then there's that question around "yeah, but for how long". Undoubtedly you're paying a premium for the Carrillo name, but as far as engineered differences in the rods, I couldn't tell you, as I've never worked with them.

AyrtonSenna

Thank you
I hope Matt chimes in again to clarify this for me.