ZZP LNF Turbo Upgrade- First Dyno Session
10-28-2009, 02:57 PM
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Hey ZZP, i found the link to your ported LSJ heads: http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...=920&catid=143.
The prices were $1000 for stage 1, $1500 for stage 2, and $330 for 78# supertech springs. Just wondering how much these prices are going to be the basis for the LNF heads. Im hoping it won't be much higher than this. Also any plans on a stage 2, and if so what will be the difference betweeen that and stage 1? THANKS
The prices were $1000 for stage 1, $1500 for stage 2, and $330 for 78# supertech springs. Just wondering how much these prices are going to be the basis for the LNF heads. Im hoping it won't be much higher than this. Also any plans on a stage 2, and if so what will be the difference betweeen that and stage 1? THANKS
stage 1 ad 2 are just how agressive the porting is (to my understanding)
10-28-2009, 04:12 PM
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And here's what I'm getting at-
You are not trying to aquire information "for the rest of the interested people to see." You are trying to aquire information for your own personal reasons. There is a 99% chance you will find a way to use it against us regardless of how it actually compares to other setups. I'm not new to this. I understand how people like you operate on the intrawebz.
You are not trying to aquire information "for the rest of the interested people to see." You are trying to aquire information for your own personal reasons. There is a 99% chance you will find a way to use it against us regardless of how it actually compares to other setups. I'm not new to this. I understand how people like you operate on the intrawebz.
i wont even post after you put up the data. I'd just like to see it. obviously i'm not the only one!
Last edited by 06black; 10-28-2009 at 04:20 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
10-28-2009, 05:57 PM
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I just want to see a vid of this car going down the 1/4 mile....if it is reasonably reliable and trapping 125mph or more, I couldn't care less what the dyno looks like.
10-28-2009, 07:48 PM
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Sure, I'm just paranoid. Don't you think I can read what you post about us in other forums or hear from other people what you say about ZZP?
10-28-2009, 09:01 PM
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Matt, just take it to the track and post some times/traps to shut everyone up. Dyno numbers don't mean anything and you will always have people questioning things without time slips.
10-28-2009, 09:08 PM
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We are planning to hit the track Saturday if the weather holds up. I think it's going to be a handful just trying to get any traction at all. Hopefully I can hit a buck twenty five.
10-28-2009, 10:41 PM
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[QUOTE=Ryan@zzp;4389722]We are using the 74mm/64mm turbine wheel.
Im in the process of restoring my 92 454SS pickup complete with a new 502 deluxe. Got a turbo for it.?
What class does your RED victory run in ? What ETs ?
Keep up the good work. Im still thinking of coming up in the spring for a dyno job. Its a 400 mile drive. 2009 Yellow SS TC 1000 miles. Aem intake, Dejon piping, Crazy intercoller, Hahn catted downpipe, Jennetty 3 inch exhaust, Engalls Stiffy, ott mounts, Hurst short throw, Trifecta infinaboost dual tune with final tune coming this week. Clutch over the winter. 155 MPH in the tunnels
Im in the process of restoring my 92 454SS pickup complete with a new 502 deluxe. Got a turbo for it.?
Keep up the good work. Im still thinking of coming up in the spring for a dyno job. Its a 400 mile drive. 2009 Yellow SS TC 1000 miles. Aem intake, Dejon piping, Crazy intercoller, Hahn catted downpipe, Jennetty 3 inch exhaust, Engalls Stiffy, ott mounts, Hurst short throw, Trifecta infinaboost dual tune with final tune coming this week. Clutch over the winter. 155 MPH in the tunnels
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10-28-2009, 11:46 PM
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10-29-2009, 08:31 AM
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lol..he'll post it whenever he feels like it ppl! i'd rather he posts up info on how he corrected the misfire issues,..etc.. I mean think about it, how driveable do you really expect 500+whp to be on the street with a front wheel drive? nobody who buys this kit can reasonably expect to have it drive even close to stock, or be as streetable as the stock turbo setup. you people are being counterproductive here.. they aren't going to release a POS turbo sway setup.
10-29-2009, 08:56 AM
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Watch out on the trans, we just had one grenade on street tires from a 45mph 3rd gear roll (yeah a roll with slow throttle tip in). there is pretty much nothing left of it lol. car is an 09 running a gt3076r on 27 psi pump gas and meth
oh and I 2nd that request for the dyno graph, looking at possibly using this turbo in the next iteration of my car (yeah, I'm gonna keep it).
oh and I 2nd that request for the dyno graph, looking at possibly using this turbo in the next iteration of my car (yeah, I'm gonna keep it).
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10-29-2009, 09:12 AM
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lol..he'll post it whenever he feels like it ppl! i'd rather he posts up info on how he corrected the misfire issues,..etc.. I mean think about it, how driveable do you really expect 500+whp to be on the street with a front wheel drive? nobody who buys this kit can reasonably expect to have it drive even close to stock, or be as streetable as the stock turbo setup. you people are being counterproductive here.. they aren't going to release a POS turbo sway setup.
Watch out on the trans, we just had one grenade on street tires from a 45mph 3rd gear roll (yeah a roll with slow throttle tip in). there is pretty much nothing left of it lol. car is an 09 running a gt3076r on 27 psi pump gas and meth
oh and I 2nd that request for the dyno graph, looking at possibly using this turbo in the next iteration of my car (yeah, I'm gonna keep it).
oh and I 2nd that request for the dyno graph, looking at possibly using this turbo in the next iteration of my car (yeah, I'm gonna keep it).
Last edited by Matt M; 10-29-2009 at 09:12 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
10-29-2009, 10:16 AM
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my like or dislike of a company has little to do with the ability to argue with truthful, correct data.
if you post a dyno plot with all the needed info, such as smoothing factor and type, weather info(most dynos do that for you) along with properly scaled x/y axis and show both power and torque(boost is a plus) scaled against RPM / MPH(provided used gear) then there's nothing to argue or dispute. it is, what it is.
the engineer in me knows that its impossible to argue with a data set that's been taken properly. theories and property's be damned. phenomenon happen, ect,ect. data doesn't lie.
while i do have my own well based opinions of you and your counterparts, it doesn't mean i'm going to try and smash / manipulate properly taken data, as that would make myself look foolish.
i'm curious as to why you guys wish to hide this section of the rpm range so bad. does the turbo have that much of a non-linar power delivery?
it matters not to me, as the few big precisions i've run come on like a switch.
i'll end this the same way i started it.
nice numbers, nice work, good luck.
10-29-2009, 10:29 AM
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i'll keep this simple, to the point, and with out any smart ass comments. after that, its on you to show the info or explain why you wont, to allllllllll the other people whom have asked as well.
my like or dislike of a company has little to do with the ability to argue with truthful, correct data.
if you post a dyno plot with all the needed info, such as smoothing factor and type, weather info(most dynos do that for you) along with properly scaled x/y axis and show both power and torque(boost is a plus) scaled against RPM / MPH(provided used gear) then there's nothing to argue or dispute. it is, what it is.
the engineer in me knows that its impossible to argue with a data set that's been taken properly. theories and property's be damned. phenomenon happen, ect,ect. data doesn't lie.
while i do have my own well based opinions of you and your counterparts, it doesn't mean i'm going to try and smash / manipulate properly taken data, as that would make myself look foolish.
i'm curious as to why you guys wish to hide this section of the rpm range so bad. does the turbo have that much of a non-linar power delivery?
it matters not to me, as the few big precisions i've run come on like a switch.
i'll end this the same way i started it.
nice numbers, nice work, good luck.
my like or dislike of a company has little to do with the ability to argue with truthful, correct data.
if you post a dyno plot with all the needed info, such as smoothing factor and type, weather info(most dynos do that for you) along with properly scaled x/y axis and show both power and torque(boost is a plus) scaled against RPM / MPH(provided used gear) then there's nothing to argue or dispute. it is, what it is.
the engineer in me knows that its impossible to argue with a data set that's been taken properly. theories and property's be damned. phenomenon happen, ect,ect. data doesn't lie.
while i do have my own well based opinions of you and your counterparts, it doesn't mean i'm going to try and smash / manipulate properly taken data, as that would make myself look foolish.
i'm curious as to why you guys wish to hide this section of the rpm range so bad. does the turbo have that much of a non-linar power delivery?
it matters not to me, as the few big precisions i've run come on like a switch.
i'll end this the same way i started it.
nice numbers, nice work, good luck.
FWIW, while you might not try to manipulate our numbers, you can clearly manipulate your own in the same effort. You have complete BS numbers right there in your sig. Why would this be any different?
10-29-2009, 10:34 AM
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They are not 2.0 Cobalt numbers, and if he is attempting to pass them off as such, then they are BS numbers.
Here's another problem-
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...22#post4256222
Apparently, 06black does not even understand how a dyno works. How could an engineer think that a dyno needs to know engine RPM in order to measure horsepower transmitted to the rollers?
Here's another problem-
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...22#post4256222
Apparently, 06black does not even understand how a dyno works. How could an engineer think that a dyno needs to know engine RPM in order to measure horsepower transmitted to the rollers?
Last edited by Matt M; 10-29-2009 at 10:34 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
10-29-2009, 10:38 AM
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rpm is for tq.
and yeah those are on a 2.0 liter cobalt........ just like everything I posted was called out as BS by zoomer and I posted all proof (video, dyno sheet, datalogs), but yet was continued to be called a liar.... I know how these things work now.
and yeah those are on a 2.0 liter cobalt........ just like everything I posted was called out as BS by zoomer and I posted all proof (video, dyno sheet, datalogs), but yet was continued to be called a liar.... I know how these things work now.