2008 Cobalt SS is Turbocharged. the proof is in....
06-03-2007, 01:22 PM
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what are you talking about? Performance wise srt-4>gti and right now since mazda's aftermarket is in the *******, srt-4>ms3. Maybe not cosmetically, interior, ride quality, or anything that most people at least somewhat care about, but performance wise, srt-4 is still the best bang for the buck by a longshot.
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SRT4's are not buried by a longshot... i see them all of the time. i have friends with them and they are not expensive to get. i was the outcast
i think that if GM does release a Turbo SS then i am sure it will sell very well. the aftermarket companies will pick up on it alot faster then the SS/SC did.
i think that if GM does release a Turbo SS then i am sure it will sell very well. the aftermarket companies will pick up on it alot faster then the SS/SC did.
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Ok, this has been a confusing issue for me ever since got the cobalt...How is it that everyone figures our car are getting "buried" simply because we have a supercharger? Here's my take......
People are taking the cobalt, which was intended, by design mind you, to be a hybrid performance car, meaning that an individual could set it up for straight tracks OR road courses with little effort, and comparing to cars like STI's, EVO's, and of course the SRT-4. First off, the STI and the EVO are in an ENITRELY different ball game than we are, t'd e like running a GT car against an F1 car, and then whining because the F1 car just handed you your ass. Of course they will win, and it isn't soley based on the turbo. The WHOLE car is designed for maximized performance.
As for the SRT-4, From what I've experienced with tha car, it leans more towards straightline performance. It isn't as effective through the turns due to a mild suspension and turbo lag. Fine, yes, you could always go to a bigger turbo, but with all that power comes a price, in the form of massive heat, and constant tuning. That is the one major issue I've seen with turbos, you're constantly tuning it, and can never get it perfect. I've run against plenty of 4's, and sure, some pulled me flat out, until we hit a turn,or god forbid them, an elevation change during a turn, at which point I went right on by thanks to my boost being there as soon as I hit the pedal, no lag.
This has even been demonstrated on the Grand Am circuit, where countless times, on tracks like Lime Rock, Laguna Seca and Sebring, the 01 ST Cobalt pulled on as many as 4 cars through the turns and hills because his boost was already there(And we're talking about competition in the form of Srt's, M3's, CTS's, RSX-S's, etc.)
With as much money as an Srt-4 guy would spend on bigger snail shells, and tuning, we can get forged internals to compliment the smaller pullies most of us already have, as well as the even smaller pullies/SC swaps some may due i the future. The internal upgrades on our motors alone yield a significant HP increase.
Take another example, the RX-8. I pull on these guys all day......until it comes to the twisties, at which point they send me packin like Pete Rose on a Vegas vacation. Why? Simply put, the RX was designed for road courses. Can you boost them, sure, you can boost anything, but the suspension and driveline is already there in that car.
Bottom line, here's my take...I bought my S/C because A: he blower gave it a uniqueness not seen elsewhere in the "tuner" landscape....B- It's handling dynamics were acceptional given the type of car it is, for the money it costs. I'm a road course guy always have been so massive boost has never been my deal...Torque and handling are my goals...If you wanted a straightline monster, this was not the wisest choice in car. For moderate track runs just for the hell of it, sure, the cobalt is competitive car stock, but for sub 13's, I'd have chosen a different car. This car is a hybrid, there are sacrifices in both the driveline and HP departments, but both can be built upon to suit the driver, so stop wining about big turbos beating you all day..If it's got a 40 or larger, you're done on the straights, always were, always will be. accept it. Enjoy the car for what it is, what it does and what you can make it do to it. If you want to go kill EVO's and STI's, go buy one, build it up, and have fun. Want to kill and SRT? build your driveine, boost your Eaton best you can, improve your driving, and hope the other guy isn't as good as you are, but for love of god stop whining about getting beaten by huge turbos.
Sorry about the rant, but it just seems to me some people bought the car and loved it cause they were dicing hondas all day, and now bitch because the AWD's saw we can put up at the least a decent fight and like running us now....It gets aggravating.
People are taking the cobalt, which was intended, by design mind you, to be a hybrid performance car, meaning that an individual could set it up for straight tracks OR road courses with little effort, and comparing to cars like STI's, EVO's, and of course the SRT-4. First off, the STI and the EVO are in an ENITRELY different ball game than we are, t'd e like running a GT car against an F1 car, and then whining because the F1 car just handed you your ass. Of course they will win, and it isn't soley based on the turbo. The WHOLE car is designed for maximized performance.
As for the SRT-4, From what I've experienced with tha car, it leans more towards straightline performance. It isn't as effective through the turns due to a mild suspension and turbo lag. Fine, yes, you could always go to a bigger turbo, but with all that power comes a price, in the form of massive heat, and constant tuning. That is the one major issue I've seen with turbos, you're constantly tuning it, and can never get it perfect. I've run against plenty of 4's, and sure, some pulled me flat out, until we hit a turn,or god forbid them, an elevation change during a turn, at which point I went right on by thanks to my boost being there as soon as I hit the pedal, no lag.
This has even been demonstrated on the Grand Am circuit, where countless times, on tracks like Lime Rock, Laguna Seca and Sebring, the 01 ST Cobalt pulled on as many as 4 cars through the turns and hills because his boost was already there(And we're talking about competition in the form of Srt's, M3's, CTS's, RSX-S's, etc.)
With as much money as an Srt-4 guy would spend on bigger snail shells, and tuning, we can get forged internals to compliment the smaller pullies most of us already have, as well as the even smaller pullies/SC swaps some may due i the future. The internal upgrades on our motors alone yield a significant HP increase.
Take another example, the RX-8. I pull on these guys all day......until it comes to the twisties, at which point they send me packin like Pete Rose on a Vegas vacation. Why? Simply put, the RX was designed for road courses. Can you boost them, sure, you can boost anything, but the suspension and driveline is already there in that car.
Bottom line, here's my take...I bought my S/C because A: he blower gave it a uniqueness not seen elsewhere in the "tuner" landscape....B- It's handling dynamics were acceptional given the type of car it is, for the money it costs. I'm a road course guy always have been so massive boost has never been my deal...Torque and handling are my goals...If you wanted a straightline monster, this was not the wisest choice in car. For moderate track runs just for the hell of it, sure, the cobalt is competitive car stock, but for sub 13's, I'd have chosen a different car. This car is a hybrid, there are sacrifices in both the driveline and HP departments, but both can be built upon to suit the driver, so stop wining about big turbos beating you all day..If it's got a 40 or larger, you're done on the straights, always were, always will be. accept it. Enjoy the car for what it is, what it does and what you can make it do to it. If you want to go kill EVO's and STI's, go buy one, build it up, and have fun. Want to kill and SRT? build your driveine, boost your Eaton best you can, improve your driving, and hope the other guy isn't as good as you are, but for love of god stop whining about getting beaten by huge turbos.
Sorry about the rant, but it just seems to me some people bought the car and loved it cause they were dicing hondas all day, and now bitch because the AWD's saw we can put up at the least a decent fight and like running us now....It gets aggravating.
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06-03-2007, 02:01 PM
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If GM has a turbo coablt next year I will be very very upset. My car will only have like 5,000 miles on it when the 08's come out :-( . Maybe I will just have 2 cobalts.... Oooooooo well.
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Ok, this has been a confusing issue for me ever since got the cobalt...How is it that everyone figures our car are getting "buried" simply because we have a supercharger? Here's my take......
People are taking the cobalt, which was intended, by design mind you, to be a hybrid performance car, meaning that an individual could set it up for straight tracks OR road courses with little effort, and comparing to cars like STI's, EVO's, and of course the SRT-4. First off, the STI and the EVO are in an ENITRELY different ball game than we are, t'd e like running a GT car against an F1 car, and then whining because the F1 car just handed you your ass. Of course they will win, and it isn't soley based on the turbo. The WHOLE car is designed for maximized performance.
As for the SRT-4, From what I've experienced with tha car, it leans more towards straightline performance. It isn't as effective through the turns due to a mild suspension and turbo lag. Fine, yes, you could always go to a bigger turbo, but with all that power comes a price, in the form of massive heat, and constant tuning. That is the one major issue I've seen with turbos, you're constantly tuning it, and can never get it perfect. I've run against plenty of 4's, and sure, some pulled me flat out, until we hit a turn,or god forbid them, an elevation change during a turn, at which point I went right on by thanks to my boost being there as soon as I hit the pedal, no lag.
This has even been demonstrated on the Grand Am circuit, where countless times, on tracks like Lime Rock, Laguna Seca and Sebring, the 01 ST Cobalt pulled on as many as 4 cars through the turns and hills because his boost was already there(And we're talking about competition in the form of Srt's, M3's, CTS's, RSX-S's, etc.)
With as much money as an Srt-4 guy would spend on bigger snail shells, and tuning, we can get forged internals to compliment the smaller pullies most of us already have, as well as the even smaller pullies/SC swaps some may due i the future. The internal upgrades on our motors alone yield a significant HP increase.
Take another example, the RX-8. I pull on these guys all day......until it comes to the twisties, at which point they send me packin like Pete Rose on a Vegas vacation. Why? Simply put, the RX was designed for road courses. Can you boost them, sure, you can boost anything, but the suspension and driveline is already there in that car.
Bottom line, here's my take...I bought my S/C because A: he blower gave it a uniqueness not seen elsewhere in the "tuner" landscape....B- It's handling dynamics were acceptional given the type of car it is, for the money it costs. I'm a road course guy always have been so massive boost has never been my deal...Torque and handling are my goals...If you wanted a straightline monster, this was not the wisest choice in car. For moderate track runs just for the hell of it, sure, the cobalt is competitive car stock, but for sub 13's, I'd have chosen a different car. This car is a hybrid, there are sacrifices in both the driveline and HP departments, but both can be built upon to suit the driver, so stop wining about big turbos beating you all day..If it's got a 40 or larger, you're done on the straights, always were, always will be. accept it. Enjoy the car for what it is, what it does and what you can make it do to it. If you want to go kill EVO's and STI's, go buy one, build it up, and have fun. Want to kill and SRT? build your driveine, boost your Eaton best you can, improve your driving, and hope the other guy isn't as good as you are, but for love of god stop whining about getting beaten by huge turbos.
Sorry about the rant, but it just seems to me some people bought the car and loved it cause they were dicing hondas all day, and now bitch because the AWD's saw we can put up at the least a decent fight and like running us now....It gets aggravating.
People are taking the cobalt, which was intended, by design mind you, to be a hybrid performance car, meaning that an individual could set it up for straight tracks OR road courses with little effort, and comparing to cars like STI's, EVO's, and of course the SRT-4. First off, the STI and the EVO are in an ENITRELY different ball game than we are, t'd e like running a GT car against an F1 car, and then whining because the F1 car just handed you your ass. Of course they will win, and it isn't soley based on the turbo. The WHOLE car is designed for maximized performance.
As for the SRT-4, From what I've experienced with tha car, it leans more towards straightline performance. It isn't as effective through the turns due to a mild suspension and turbo lag. Fine, yes, you could always go to a bigger turbo, but with all that power comes a price, in the form of massive heat, and constant tuning. That is the one major issue I've seen with turbos, you're constantly tuning it, and can never get it perfect. I've run against plenty of 4's, and sure, some pulled me flat out, until we hit a turn,or god forbid them, an elevation change during a turn, at which point I went right on by thanks to my boost being there as soon as I hit the pedal, no lag.
This has even been demonstrated on the Grand Am circuit, where countless times, on tracks like Lime Rock, Laguna Seca and Sebring, the 01 ST Cobalt pulled on as many as 4 cars through the turns and hills because his boost was already there(And we're talking about competition in the form of Srt's, M3's, CTS's, RSX-S's, etc.)
With as much money as an Srt-4 guy would spend on bigger snail shells, and tuning, we can get forged internals to compliment the smaller pullies most of us already have, as well as the even smaller pullies/SC swaps some may due i the future. The internal upgrades on our motors alone yield a significant HP increase.
Take another example, the RX-8. I pull on these guys all day......until it comes to the twisties, at which point they send me packin like Pete Rose on a Vegas vacation. Why? Simply put, the RX was designed for road courses. Can you boost them, sure, you can boost anything, but the suspension and driveline is already there in that car.
Bottom line, here's my take...I bought my S/C because A: he blower gave it a uniqueness not seen elsewhere in the "tuner" landscape....B- It's handling dynamics were acceptional given the type of car it is, for the money it costs. I'm a road course guy always have been so massive boost has never been my deal...Torque and handling are my goals...If you wanted a straightline monster, this was not the wisest choice in car. For moderate track runs just for the hell of it, sure, the cobalt is competitive car stock, but for sub 13's, I'd have chosen a different car. This car is a hybrid, there are sacrifices in both the driveline and HP departments, but both can be built upon to suit the driver, so stop wining about big turbos beating you all day..If it's got a 40 or larger, you're done on the straights, always were, always will be. accept it. Enjoy the car for what it is, what it does and what you can make it do to it. If you want to go kill EVO's and STI's, go buy one, build it up, and have fun. Want to kill and SRT? build your driveine, boost your Eaton best you can, improve your driving, and hope the other guy isn't as good as you are, but for love of god stop whining about getting beaten by huge turbos.
Sorry about the rant, but it just seems to me some people bought the car and loved it cause they were dicing hondas all day, and now bitch because the AWD's saw we can put up at the least a decent fight and like running us now....It gets aggravating.
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Thanks, and just to be clear, I don't discredit the Srt's handling abilities, I just found that after driving both cars, on factory set ups, the cobalt handled a bit more to my liking...Driver Preferences I suppose is what it boils down to, but then again, doesn't it always?
Hybrid in terms of track goals...How many other cars in the FWD 4-cyl class can you buy from the factory and be an equally competitive car on both the drag and the road courses, aisde from the SRT-4, which is our DIRECT competition, for the under 25K price? I don't see many RSX's running mid 14's, or pushing quick lap times off the lot. You can go either way with our cars...It wasn't designed SOLEY for the turns, or the strips, it was desined to be balanced in both. Why do you think they utilized the Astra's chassis, which is a fairly competitive rally racer, the gearing from a Saab, which have always been known for their positive gearing and driveline aspects, and drastically improved the Ecotec motor to handle large amounts of power? Seems to me you have the apsects of universal racing in this car, decent power that can be improved inexpensively, and a tight, responsive driveline..The clutch is a bit weak, as we all know, but nothing is perfect, but I would say that a car I can use as effectively on a strip as I can a course can be regarded as a hybrid from a performance standpoint.
Hybrid in terms of track goals...How many other cars in the FWD 4-cyl class can you buy from the factory and be an equally competitive car on both the drag and the road courses, aisde from the SRT-4, which is our DIRECT competition, for the under 25K price? I don't see many RSX's running mid 14's, or pushing quick lap times off the lot. You can go either way with our cars...It wasn't designed SOLEY for the turns, or the strips, it was desined to be balanced in both. Why do you think they utilized the Astra's chassis, which is a fairly competitive rally racer, the gearing from a Saab, which have always been known for their positive gearing and driveline aspects, and drastically improved the Ecotec motor to handle large amounts of power? Seems to me you have the apsects of universal racing in this car, decent power that can be improved inexpensively, and a tight, responsive driveline..The clutch is a bit weak, as we all know, but nothing is perfect, but I would say that a car I can use as effectively on a strip as I can a course can be regarded as a hybrid from a performance standpoint.
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06-03-2007, 04:52 PM
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Thanks, and just to be clear, I don't discredit the Srt's handling abilities, I just found that after driving both cars, on factory set ups, the cobalt handled a bit more to my liking...Driver Preferences I suppose is what it boils down to, but then again, doesn't it always?
Hybrid in terms of track goals...How many other cars in the FWD 4-cyl class can you buy from the factory and be an equally competitive car on both the drag and the road courses, aisde from the SRT-4, which is our DIRECT competition, for the under 25K price? I don't see many RSX's running mid 14's, or pushing quick lap times off the lot. You can go either way with our cars...It wasn't designed SOLEY for the turns, or the strips, it was desined to be balanced in both. Why do you think they utilized the Astra's chassis, which is a fairly competitive rally racer, the gearing from a Saab, which have always been known for their positive gearing and driveline aspects, and drastically improved the Ecotec motor to handle large amounts of power? Seems to me you have the apsects of universal racing in this car, decent power that can be improved inexpensively, and a tight, responsive driveline..The clutch is a bit weak, as we all know, but nothing is perfect, but I would say that a car I can use as effectively on a strip as I can a course can be regarded as a hybrid from a performance standpoint.
Hybrid in terms of track goals...How many other cars in the FWD 4-cyl class can you buy from the factory and be an equally competitive car on both the drag and the road courses, aisde from the SRT-4, which is our DIRECT competition, for the under 25K price? I don't see many RSX's running mid 14's, or pushing quick lap times off the lot. You can go either way with our cars...It wasn't designed SOLEY for the turns, or the strips, it was desined to be balanced in both. Why do you think they utilized the Astra's chassis, which is a fairly competitive rally racer, the gearing from a Saab, which have always been known for their positive gearing and driveline aspects, and drastically improved the Ecotec motor to handle large amounts of power? Seems to me you have the apsects of universal racing in this car, decent power that can be improved inexpensively, and a tight, responsive driveline..The clutch is a bit weak, as we all know, but nothing is perfect, but I would say that a car I can use as effectively on a strip as I can a course can be regarded as a hybrid from a performance standpoint.
oh ok, my bad, yea this post and your last post i totally agree. This is the main reason i want this car. i think its got everything. looks, style, luxury, pretty decent options, many different models. speed and performance,
06-04-2007, 09:34 PM
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supposedly gms contract with eaton is up ... so turbo maybe... however they're supposedly killing the ss/sc line . the only thing that is more than likely going to have a stock turbo option is the saturn astra redline which should be a 260hp turbo car like their opel brothers
06-30-2007, 11:31 PM
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Cobalt turbo
I was at the Lordstown plant today at the car show. The judges were GM employees and one of them said that they are definitely working on puttng the LNF engine in the Cobalt for 2008, and it is proving to be a challenge as one of the earlier posts mentioned. He also said that the refreshed SS will have electronic stability control, and updated seats that will have the support of the Recaro buckets, but won't cost more on the sticker. The plan is to roll out the Cobalt SS LNF in limited numbers in 2008.
Looks like the Cobalt SS lives on!
Looks like the Cobalt SS lives on!
07-01-2007, 04:12 AM
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At a dealer near u April 2008 
That is basically just a formality . They arent going to certify the LSJ for 2008 model year production , even in limited quanties . The LSJ DOES NOT meet new 2008 emissions regulations ( like I said over a year ago ) . The new SS comes out AFTER the 2008 model year begins , so it will be released a 2009 , even though it will be out in 08 . Hence No 08 Cobalt SS 
You will not see a redline Astra until the new Cobalt and Astra go onto Delta 2 chassis in 2010 , when both cars become pretty much mechanically identical . The current ecotec family 1 240 hp VXR/OPC Astra isnt coming to the US .
You will not see a redline Astra until the new Cobalt and Astra go onto Delta 2 chassis in 2010 , when both cars become pretty much mechanically identical . The current ecotec family 1 240 hp VXR/OPC Astra isnt coming to the US .
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Wow I'm sorry dude but you need some education. The reason 2.0t looks like it wont fit is beacause in the sky/solstice in is mounted in the longitudual RWD format. Turn the motor sideways in your mind if thats possible for you.
The 2.0l, 2.2l, and 2.4l are the exact same size on the outside it is the internals that make the displacement bigger.
Just like the silverado V8 family are all the same size 4.8, 5.3, 6.0l if u put the engines side by side you could not tell the difference.
If the do go to a turbo which I'm pretty sure they are the only reason is cost saving; why put an engine in thayt is only in 2 of your products makes 60 hp less than the turbo and cost hundreeds more to make. The 2.0l turbop is now being massed produced as it is is the sky/solstice combo aswell as a couple of european vehicles.
There will be no cobalt SS in 08 turbo super or NA, and GM is removng the SS badge from impsoter vehicles like the malibu and cobalt non supercharged. There was an article on this on how the industry was furious with GM just throwing the SS badge on any car. Lutz agrreed in a statement and said between now and 2010 GM would be removing the SS badge from vhicles they didnt fell deserve (especiall the fakin cobalt SS which in my opinion barely deserves an RS badge)
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Not sure how this affects the Cobalt's future:
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...706290415/1148
But it sounds a little more serious than GM just flexing it's muscle. If the Cobalt production does move to Mexico, that would kind of suck. At least the SS would still be finished the GM Performance Division in MI, but still.
And SilverSS/SC, how come you sound like the only one who really knows what's going on? You work for GM?
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...706290415/1148
But it sounds a little more serious than GM just flexing it's muscle. If the Cobalt production does move to Mexico, that would kind of suck. At least the SS would still be finished the GM Performance Division in MI, but still.
And SilverSS/SC, how come you sound like the only one who really knows what's going on? You work for GM?
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At Lordstown, as at other plants, GM is pushing the UAW to agree to money-saving work rule changes -- from reduced break time to more leeway to outsource jobs -- that mirror policies in plants run by foreign competitors, especially Toyota Motor Corp.
GM wants to be firm on ending money-wasting practices, and the union doesn't want to appear too ready to give up hard-won safeguards in the workplace.
GM temporarily stopped pre-production work to ready the plant for GM's next-generation small car. The move was considered largely symbolic, driving home the point that, at any time, GM can move the work done at Lordstown elsewhere.
The Lordstown plant, according to Harbour, is one of the most efficient small car factories in the United States. But that's not helping GM
"Despite all we've done together, we're still not generating positive cash flow in North America," said GM spokesman Dan Flores, who declined to specifically discuss Lordstown. "Fundamental competitive gaps still exist."
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I laugh my head off at all you peple that think the SS is dead. No LNF, no nothing.
Yet none of you can come up with a single locigal reason why Chevy would walk away form the sport compact market.
Get real
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gee..you have a crstal ball or what? Maybe you can tell the wining lotto numbers too
I laugh my head off at all you peple that think the SS is dead. No LNF, no nothing.
Yet none of you can come up with a single locigal reason why Chevy would walk away form the sport compact market.
Get real
I laugh my head off at all you peple that think the SS is dead. No LNF, no nothing.
Yet none of you can come up with a single locigal reason why Chevy would walk away form the sport compact market.
Get real
It will have the 2.4 N/A motor, and there will be no supercharged version. No turbocharged version, period. At least not in 08, now 09 might be different, but I doubt it. They are killing off alot of the 'SS' badged cars.
This also has to do with new emissions requirements that the LSJ do not meet, or so I have heard.
Read up: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/04/c...rged-for-2008/
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums//showthread.php?t=62052