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06-29-2007, 03:50 PM
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I am guessing you don't know too much about turbos by that first statement.
Turbo = more power at peak
Supercharger = overall increase on pre-existing power curves.
Yes a turbo is more efficient and yes a turbo can usually yield more power...but a supercharger is in fact much linear in it's power "distribution".
Please continue Kempo.
To own a car it must be registered.
again...please continue Kempo.
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06-29-2007, 04:07 PM
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This thread really confuses me. If I paid that much for a car I dont know if I would spend my time on this site trying to find out how to make it faster.
Kempo, you have to be able to get the technical specs for your car from Brammo. Find out how the ECU is controlled and if it is similar to the one used in the Cobalt SS/SC or ION Redline. Find out what your vin is and if it can be registered with HPT. What size injectors does your car have? How is the inercooler cooled? Does your car have a OBD2 connector? If so find someone near by with HPT and have them scan your car.
Please spend some time with an experience LSJ owner in your area so you can learn more about this engine and they can learn more about yours. Then share this information with the rest of us.
DO NOT SLAP A SMALLER PULLEY ON THERE WITH OUT KNOWING HOW YOUR CAR IS TUNED!! Figure out what you are working with before you start to do any mods to your car.
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As a second thought I think this is a hoax. We really need pics of you and your car to prove this is real. I really think this is someone who is looking around on the Arial website and thought he would find out how to take the base Arial Atom 2 and get it to 300hp without paying Arial to do it. Or something like that. Please give us some close up pics of your engine compartment and car and prove me wrong.
Kempo, you have to be able to get the technical specs for your car from Brammo. Find out how the ECU is controlled and if it is similar to the one used in the Cobalt SS/SC or ION Redline. Find out what your vin is and if it can be registered with HPT. What size injectors does your car have? How is the inercooler cooled? Does your car have a OBD2 connector? If so find someone near by with HPT and have them scan your car.
Please spend some time with an experience LSJ owner in your area so you can learn more about this engine and they can learn more about yours. Then share this information with the rest of us.
DO NOT SLAP A SMALLER PULLEY ON THERE WITH OUT KNOWING HOW YOUR CAR IS TUNED!! Figure out what you are working with before you start to do any mods to your car.
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As a second thought I think this is a hoax. We really need pics of you and your car to prove this is real. I really think this is someone who is looking around on the Arial website and thought he would find out how to take the base Arial Atom 2 and get it to 300hp without paying Arial to do it. Or something like that. Please give us some close up pics of your engine compartment and car and prove me wrong.
06-29-2007, 04:52 PM
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Yeah obviously you do not know much about turbos either, I was not suggesting some huge turbo that hits full boost at 4500rpms and hits HARD.
In order to have your name on the title, you must register it. In order to register it, it must be non-op, off-road, or street legal.
Please educate yourself before you try to educate other people.
In order to have your name on the title, you must register it. In order to register it, it must be non-op, off-road, or street legal.
Please educate yourself before you try to educate other people.
Secondly...you only need register something that is street legal...last time I checked...you don't need to register a dirt bike or four wheeler. And before you continue to try and educate us...they supply a vin number on the "car" so in case he makes it street legal it will be easier to get it registered for the road.
PS Thanks for the lessons teach.
Sorry they may do things differently in Wisconsin than they do in "the08" yo.
Yeah obviously you do not know much about turbos either
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06-29-2007, 05:05 PM
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It's not that far off. Pretty much a kick-ass dune buggy right? Pretty sure FNFAST is right. It only needs to be registered if it becomes street legal. Registration = license, not purchasing the thing. Is it just me or do a lot of the smartasses on .net seem to be from Cali? Don't want to discriminate, just an observation.
06-29-2007, 05:09 PM
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06 IRL w/ Comp. Package, GMPP Stage 2, PB 2.8, GMPP Exhaust Manifold, Cobra H/E, K&N CAI, Interceptor v2, BWoody Traction Bars
In the Garage
Oil Can, LC-1 Wideband
II am very interested in your Stage 3 setup. Do you have the dual pass end plate installed to?
06-29-2007, 05:20 PM
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Actually it is silver. Here are my mods.
06 IRL w/ Comp. Package, GMPP Stage 2, PB 2.8, GMPP Exhaust Manifold, Cobra H/E, K&N CAI, Interceptor v2, BWoody Traction Bars
In the Garage
Oil Can, LC-1 Wideband
II am very interested in your Stage 3 setup. Do you have the dual pass end plate installed to?
06 IRL w/ Comp. Package, GMPP Stage 2, PB 2.8, GMPP Exhaust Manifold, Cobra H/E, K&N CAI, Interceptor v2, BWoody Traction Bars
In the Garage
Oil Can, LC-1 Wideband
II am very interested in your Stage 3 setup. Do you have the dual pass end plate installed to?
my email is: fnfastz28@yahoo.com
give me a shout this weekend maybe we can get together for 5 minutes if nothing else just to check them out and introduce one another in case we ever spot the other out riding?
Sounds like a nice IRL you have. Dig the silver too...I wish they made the ss/sc in silver.
PS genius, maybe he should start building and selling turbos that were designed in the last 20 years and then you would have a clue.
It's not that far off. Pretty much a kick-ass dune buggy right? Pretty sure FNFAST is right. It only needs to be registered if it becomes street legal. Registration = license, not purchasing the thing. Is it just me or do a lot of the smartasses on .net seem to be from Cali? Don't want to discriminate, just an observation.
but you got my point exactly N8. Thank you.
They do not require regular registration, but must display an identification plate or device issued by DMV.
Sounds to me like your laws are different.
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06-30-2007, 12:15 AM
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This thread really confuses me. If I paid that much for a car I dont know if I would spend my time on this site trying to find out how to make it faster.
Kempo, you have to be able to get the technical specs for your car from Brammo. Find out how the ECU is controlled and if it is similar to the one used in the Cobalt SS/SC or ION Redline. Find out what your vin is and if it can be registered with HPT. What size injectors does your car have? How is the inercooler cooled? Does your car have a OBD2 connector? If so find someone near by with HPT and have them scan your car.
Please spend some time with an experience LSJ owner in your area so you can learn more about this engine and they can learn more about yours. Then share this information with the rest of us.
DO NOT SLAP A SMALLER PULLEY ON THERE WITH OUT KNOWING HOW YOUR CAR IS TUNED!! Figure out what you are working with before you start to do any mods to your car.
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As a second thought I think this is a hoax. We really need pics of you and your car to prove this is real. I really think this is someone who is looking around on the Arial website and thought he would find out how to take the base Arial Atom 2 and get it to 300hp without paying Arial to do it. Or something like that. Please give us some close up pics of your engine compartment and car and prove me wrong.
Kempo, you have to be able to get the technical specs for your car from Brammo. Find out how the ECU is controlled and if it is similar to the one used in the Cobalt SS/SC or ION Redline. Find out what your vin is and if it can be registered with HPT. What size injectors does your car have? How is the inercooler cooled? Does your car have a OBD2 connector? If so find someone near by with HPT and have them scan your car.
Please spend some time with an experience LSJ owner in your area so you can learn more about this engine and they can learn more about yours. Then share this information with the rest of us.
DO NOT SLAP A SMALLER PULLEY ON THERE WITH OUT KNOWING HOW YOUR CAR IS TUNED!! Figure out what you are working with before you start to do any mods to your car.
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As a second thought I think this is a hoax. We really need pics of you and your car to prove this is real. I really think this is someone who is looking around on the Arial website and thought he would find out how to take the base Arial Atom 2 and get it to 300hp without paying Arial to do it. Or something like that. Please give us some close up pics of your engine compartment and car and prove me wrong.
You don't have to register a car to own it. all you need is a title that proves its yours. I do have a title and car also comes with a 17 digit VIN #.for registration so you don't need a VIN # from your local DMV. As you can see in the e bay link I posted the car can be registered and legally driven on the streets including California.
About the turbo stuff I won't even bother to explain this to you since I can see by your posts you are the "I KNOW IT ALL" kind of guy.
FNFAST I agree with everything you said in your previous posts.
This thread really confuses me. If I paid that much for a car I dont know if I would spend my time on this site trying to find out how to make it faster.
Kempo, you have to be able to get the technical specs for your car from Brammo. Find out how the ECU is controlled and if it is similar to the one used in the Cobalt SS/SC or ION Redline. Find out what your vin is and if it can be registered with HPT. What size injectors does your car have? How is the inercooler cooled? Does your car have a OBD2 connector? If so find someone near by with HPT and have them scan your car.
Please spend some time with an experience LSJ owner in your area so you can learn more about this engine and they can learn more about yours. Then share this information with the rest of us.
DO NOT SLAP A SMALLER PULLEY ON THERE WITH OUT KNOWING HOW YOUR CAR IS TUNED!! Figure out what you are working with before you start to do any mods to your car.
__________________________________________________ ____________________________________
As a second thought I think this is a hoax. We really need pics of you and your car to prove this is real. I really think this is someone who is looking around on the Arial website and thought he would find out how to take the base Arial Atom 2 and get it to 300hp without paying Arial to do it. Or something like that. Please give us some close up pics of your engine compartment and car and prove me wrong.
Kempo, you have to be able to get the technical specs for your car from Brammo. Find out how the ECU is controlled and if it is similar to the one used in the Cobalt SS/SC or ION Redline. Find out what your vin is and if it can be registered with HPT. What size injectors does your car have? How is the inercooler cooled? Does your car have a OBD2 connector? If so find someone near by with HPT and have them scan your car.
Please spend some time with an experience LSJ owner in your area so you can learn more about this engine and they can learn more about yours. Then share this information with the rest of us.
DO NOT SLAP A SMALLER PULLEY ON THERE WITH OUT KNOWING HOW YOUR CAR IS TUNED!! Figure out what you are working with before you start to do any mods to your car.
__________________________________________________ ____________________________________
As a second thought I think this is a hoax. We really need pics of you and your car to prove this is real. I really think this is someone who is looking around on the Arial website and thought he would find out how to take the base Arial Atom 2 and get it to 300hp without paying Arial to do it. Or something like that. Please give us some close up pics of your engine compartment and car and prove me wrong.
I don't han a photobucket acconunt but as I said if someone will host them I will e mail more pics to be hosted here.
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06-30-2007, 03:35 AM
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fnfast +1 rep for being remotely mature and trying to explain things.
sssuperman... i'm pretty sure your laws "over there" must be different because in NY it's exactly how everyone else says it.
title= owner ship,
registration (for street legal cars) = ability to legally drive on the road,
registration (not street legal, ie dirt bikes atvs and other such things) = needed for competition and riding on state owned facilities.
thats awesome but I can show you dyno's where it proves that stickers and a big ass aluminum wing that can touch a 747 at 37000 feet give a 2hp honda a 200HP gain.... 
even with newer turbos with extremely little lag a supercharger would be better for the atom.. he doesn't need as much top end power which is what turbos are primarily good for... he needs power out of the corners and being able to control the damn thing... not having the slightest bit of lag or else with the weight of it he'll have problems staying on course.
normally to make 300 hp on the lsj a turbo is the way to go( or maybe a procharger we'll find out in a few weeks) however he's looking for more low end power, which will be provided with a T/s or a roots style blower the easiest
congrats thats correct.. but only in the oldest sense of the meaning considering a turbo used to be considered a type of supercharger. in essense they do the same thing... provide boost and extra power.. however they are not the the same thing.... for someone who's telling everyone else to get their facts straight about turbos you sure fouled up that one... by any chance have all the "turbos" you've seen been made by one of these company's ?
procharger, vortech, or powerdyne?
yes i know they're all centrifugal superchargers... so don't even begin to flame me for that.. .
a centri sc and a turbo on the other hand... they're very similar ...
and NA being the best for road racing? that all depends on the motor... if it's not gonna get into power band till halfway up the RPMs or more then it's not better man.. low end torque + kick ass suspension ftw
if i was more of an ass.. i'd give you - rep just for being a douche when you only have 54 posts... i don't care how much you know.. when you're new to the board treat people with respect...
sssuperman... i'm pretty sure your laws "over there" must be different because in NY it's exactly how everyone else says it.
title= owner ship,
registration (for street legal cars) = ability to legally drive on the road,
registration (not street legal, ie dirt bikes atvs and other such things) = needed for competition and riding on state owned facilities.
even with newer turbos with extremely little lag a supercharger would be better for the atom.. he doesn't need as much top end power which is what turbos are primarily good for... he needs power out of the corners and being able to control the damn thing... not having the slightest bit of lag or else with the weight of it he'll have problems staying on course.
normally to make 300 hp on the lsj a turbo is the way to go( or maybe a procharger we'll find out in a few weeks) however he's looking for more low end power, which will be provided with a T/s or a roots style blower the easiest
procharger, vortech, or powerdyne?
yes i know they're all centrifugal superchargers... so don't even begin to flame me for that.. .
a centri sc and a turbo on the other hand... they're very similar ...
and NA being the best for road racing? that all depends on the motor... if it's not gonna get into power band till halfway up the RPMs or more then it's not better man.. low end torque + kick ass suspension ftw
if i was more of an ass.. i'd give you - rep just for being a douche when you only have 54 posts... i don't care how much you know.. when you're new to the board treat people with respect...
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06-30-2007, 04:22 AM
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aww someone got butt hurt....
i read what you wrote.. apparently you didn't read what i did..
i said i'm pretty sure you're laws must be different if they're how you say.. christ if you're in ca then there are a **** ton of different laws there ...
title= owner ship,
registration (for street legal cars) = ability to legally drive on the road,
registration (not street legal, ie dirt bikes atvs and other such things) = needed for competition and riding on state owned facilities.
is how it's done in NY...
as far as the owner ship issue i'm not positive but i think title = ownership no matter where you live ... next you're going to say you need the vehicle to be insured even if it's not on the road....
as for fouling things up with saying turbos and superchargers are the same.. yea i'm sorry but you fouled that up... they do similar things in a very different ways.. unless you're comparing a centri sc to a turbo which are extremely similar, then thats a different story..
11/11/2005>>>03/19/2007??
for what? you've been a member here for less time then i have...
3/19/2007>6/27/2007
and smarty pants.. regardless of how long you've been hear you shouldn't treat people like they're stupid.. because no matter how smart you think you are or how much you know... someone else out there is better and knows more than you.. ( thats just a general statement)
06-30-2007, 09:52 AM
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First off nice ******* essay.
besides you have the nerve after posting this:
Off highway vehicles (OHV) subject to off-road registration.
OHVs are vehicles such as racing motorcycles, trail bikes, mini bikes, dune buggies, all-terrain vehicles, jeeps, and snowmobiles. These vehicles are operated exclusively off public roads and highways on lands that are open and accessible to the public. They do not require regular registration, but must display an identification plate or device issued by DMV.
It is not necessary to register a vehicle for both on-highway and off-highway use. Valid on-highway registration allows the vehicle to be operated on and off the highway. Vehicles registered for on-highway use only may be subject to a "use fee" if operated in OHV parks.
To change a California registered vehicle from on-highway use to OHV, you will need to:
Visit a DMV office. Make an appointment for faster service.
Provide the California Certificate of Title.
Pay the original off-highway vehicle application fee (registration fee).
To register an OHV that has never been registered and was purchased from someone other than a licensed California dealer, you will need to:
Visit a DMV office. Make an appointment for faster service.
Complete an Application for Title or Registration (REG 343).
Have a DMV representative, licensed vehicle verifier, or peace officer complete a vehicle verification (on the REG 343 form).
Provide evidence of ownership such as a bill of sale, out-of-state title, or Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin.
Surrender any on-highway license plates.
Pay the original off-highway vehicle application fee (registration fee).
Pay the use tax.
Original and renewal registrations are good for 2 years and expire on June 30th of the second year. Renewal notices are mailed to owners. A penalty fee is due if the renewal is late.
Visit the California State Parks Off Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation website for additional information and the Green Sticker Vehicle Newsletter.
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http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/vr_info.htm#BM2524
Maybe I am not understanding it right. This[Atom] would be on the same token as a "racing motorcycle".
OHVs are vehicles such as racing motorcycles, trail bikes, mini bikes, dune buggies, all-terrain vehicles, jeeps, and snowmobiles. These vehicles are operated exclusively off public roads and highways on lands that are open and accessible to the public. They do not require regular registration, but must display an identification plate or device issued by DMV.
It is not necessary to register a vehicle for both on-highway and off-highway use. Valid on-highway registration allows the vehicle to be operated on and off the highway. Vehicles registered for on-highway use only may be subject to a "use fee" if operated in OHV parks.
To change a California registered vehicle from on-highway use to OHV, you will need to:
Visit a DMV office. Make an appointment for faster service.
Provide the California Certificate of Title.
Pay the original off-highway vehicle application fee (registration fee).
To register an OHV that has never been registered and was purchased from someone other than a licensed California dealer, you will need to:
Visit a DMV office. Make an appointment for faster service.
Complete an Application for Title or Registration (REG 343).
Have a DMV representative, licensed vehicle verifier, or peace officer complete a vehicle verification (on the REG 343 form).
Provide evidence of ownership such as a bill of sale, out-of-state title, or Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin.
Surrender any on-highway license plates.
Pay the original off-highway vehicle application fee (registration fee).
Pay the use tax.
Original and renewal registrations are good for 2 years and expire on June 30th of the second year. Renewal notices are mailed to owners. A penalty fee is due if the renewal is late.
Visit the California State Parks Off Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation website for additional information and the Green Sticker Vehicle Newsletter.
Back to Top of Page
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/vr_info.htm#BM2524
Maybe I am not understanding it right. This[Atom] would be on the same token as a "racing motorcycle".
That's nowhere near essay length right?
I can show you many dynos of turbo cars that are JUST as linear as any supercharger. Your point is moot.
PS: Treat members with more respect or you will be reported and you will be kicked off.
06-30-2007, 01:16 PM
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Dude I cant believe you wont conceed the fact that a S/C will be better/easier to use on an autox/roadcourse than a turbo.
You picked the wrong place to make your stand this time casey.
cuz your just plain wrong.
You picked the wrong place to make your stand this time casey.
cuz your just plain wrong.
06-30-2007, 01:33 PM
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it has nothing to do with proving us wrong... it has everything to do with your attitude in just about every thread I've seen you post in...
for as much you were running your mouth you've had just as little proof to back yourself up, cept with the cali laws... which is fine, they're different from alot of other places but, you still don't need to act like a jerk man....
but superchargers tend to give better low end... which i would think is what you want...
plus with the weight of the atom... seriously think about it it goes 0-60 in under 3 seconds right? and it has as much HP as ss/sc's do for stage 2...
besides the fact that you're not even trying to back up your claims with any sort of proof... you're just like it's better don't argue man...
seriously though we need to get back on topic because i just realized how much space this bicker match has taken up
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06-30-2007, 01:43 PM
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I didnt realise we were able to buy racecars from the dealership......
were talkin real world vehicles here. not half million dollar sponsered racecars.
06-30-2007, 07:09 PM
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then why do you keep talking about rally cars and stuff that weigh 1k lbs more? weight plays a big factor, something that works for a rally car might not work for a go cart and vise versa...
also why haven't you shown anything to back yourself up?? since you insist everyone else is wrong
also why haven't you shown anything to back yourself up?? since you insist everyone else is wrong
06-30-2007, 07:29 PM
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Maybe you're getting linear mixed up with exponential. A turbo builds power exponentially and a supercharger builds power in a linear fashion. The reason for this is that way that they produce their boost; supercharger builds boost immediately and a turbo builds boost as the engine increases it's exhaust output.
06-30-2007, 07:31 PM
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Maybe you're getting linear mixed up with exponential. A turbo builds power exponentially and a supercharger builds power in a linear fashion. The reason for this is that way that they produce their boost; supercharger builds boost immediately and a turbo builds boost as the engine increases it's exhaust output.
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07-01-2007, 12:16 AM
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Go through all the time attack events and look.
Ther eis no shame in admitting you are wrong man...I'm not saying that as an ass...it's the truth. You are wrong.
07-01-2007, 02:40 AM
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I don't have any dynos to really compare right now but I have seen dynos of turbocharged cars that are linear.
I don't understand why people think having a turbo car is bad for auto crossing or road racing...
Turbochargers are VERY responsive especially aftermarket ones.
Some of you guys (keyword some) are just being fanb0is if you're saying otherwise.
I don't understand why people think having a turbo car is bad for auto crossing or road racing...
Turbochargers are VERY responsive especially aftermarket ones.
Some of you guys (keyword some) are just being fanb0is if you're saying otherwise.
07-01-2007, 04:28 AM
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I don't have any dynos to really compare right now but I have seen dynos of turbocharged cars that are linear.
I don't understand why people think having a turbo car is bad for auto crossing or road racing...
Turbochargers are VERY responsive especially aftermarket ones.
Some of you guys (keyword some) are just being fanb0is if you're saying otherwise.
I don't understand why people think having a turbo car is bad for auto crossing or road racing...
Turbochargers are VERY responsive especially aftermarket ones.
Some of you guys (keyword some) are just being fanb0is if you're saying otherwise.
07-01-2007, 04:30 AM
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Casey was just trying to say they can be just as linear and just as good...not that they are better. I think some people were taking that in the wrong context.
07-02-2007, 03:10 PM
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My point is not one is better than the other...if anything a turbo is more efficient. My point was if you take a motor from say an LS1. Then you just slap a turbo on it...it will not produce power as linear as if you were to bolt up a supercharger. A supercharger adds linear power by nature...a turbo would add a great deal of power up top, but not so much down low. Regardless of how "up to date" and new they are...a turbo will still have to spool and build power.
Not to mention...being able to just shut my car off when I am done racing and not having to let it idle for 5-10 minutes before I have to shut it off for the sake of my turbo...is always nice.
thats all. nothing more..nothing less.
Not to mention...being able to just shut my car off when I am done racing and not having to let it idle for 5-10 minutes before I have to shut it off for the sake of my turbo...is always nice.
thats all. nothing more..nothing less.