Alans Block Party
11-02-2014, 09:24 AM
#51
Yeah.. There's also a good reason I stayed with a 2.0. As long as you can hold the tq, rpm's make hp. I haven't peaked these cams yet but judging by the curve I would guess around 8500-9.
My plan is to keep tq moderate, around the 400-450 range, and use these cams (and the massive turbine housing) to hold it out. My first Dyno on these cams, peak tq was about 4800 and had only dropped 5ftlb by redline. With the current turbo, tq kept climbing very slowly till 6500 then leveled out.
So if I can maintain even 400wtq to just 8k, that's an easy 610whp.
My plan is to keep tq moderate, around the 400-450 range, and use these cams (and the massive turbine housing) to hold it out. My first Dyno on these cams, peak tq was about 4800 and had only dropped 5ftlb by redline. With the current turbo, tq kept climbing very slowly till 6500 then leveled out.
So if I can maintain even 400wtq to just 8k, that's an easy 610whp.
11-02-2014, 10:55 AM
#52
Yeah.. There's also a good reason I stayed with a 2.0. As long as you can hold the tq, rpm's make hp. I haven't peaked these cams yet but judging by the curve I would guess around 8500-9.
My plan is to keep tq moderate, around the 400-450 range, and use these cams (and the massive turbine housing) to hold it out. My first Dyno on these cams, peak tq was about 4800 and had only dropped 5ftlb by redline. With the current turbo, tq kept climbing very slowly till 6500 then leveled out.
So if I can maintain even 400wtq to just 8k, that's an easy 610whp.
My plan is to keep tq moderate, around the 400-450 range, and use these cams (and the massive turbine housing) to hold it out. My first Dyno on these cams, peak tq was about 4800 and had only dropped 5ftlb by redline. With the current turbo, tq kept climbing very slowly till 6500 then leveled out.
So if I can maintain even 400wtq to just 8k, that's an easy 610whp.
11-02-2014, 03:35 PM
#56
Senior Member
The stock sleeve support and the clamping force of the head. The place that makes these for papaw uses this exact design in open deck honda sfwd cars pushing 900 wheel at over 40psi.
Non-intercooled Borg Warner s360et t4 .91ar with a 75 shot. 10.5-1 diamonds fully coated, ap rings, Molnar rods.
That's the basics.
Non-intercooled Borg Warner s360et t4 .91ar with a 75 shot. 10.5-1 diamonds fully coated, ap rings, Molnar rods.
That's the basics.
11-02-2014, 03:49 PM
#59
Senior Member
I disagree. A properly sized intercooler will not hinder spoil time enough to be noticed and E-85 will not overcome the IATs that will result from a high boost non intercooled setup. A non intercooled setup on e-85 will likely make about the same amount of power as an intercooled setup on 93 as the timing advance with both setups is likely to be about the same.
11-02-2014, 03:52 PM
#60
EVery little bit counts..... and alan gives about negative four craps about iat's. He's found his car runs better with a little hotter iat's. He always has other things to keep iat's in check....
soo.................................
If you want to have a mature conversation we can take this to PM's.
soo.................................
If you want to have a mature conversation we can take this to PM's.
Last edited by TStone; 11-02-2014 at 03:52 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
11-02-2014, 04:11 PM
#61
Senior Member
EVery little bit counts..... and alan gives about negative four craps about iat's. He's found his car runs better with a little hotter iat's. He always has other things to keep iat's in check....
soo.................................
If you want to have a mature conversation we can take this to PM's.
soo.................................
If you want to have a mature conversation we can take this to PM's.
11-02-2014, 04:30 PM
#62
Honestly I'm helping a friend move and don't have the time right now. But to sum I up I have gona far beyond our little realm of performance 4 bangers in setting up my system. Iat's level off at 120 running 22psi.
11-02-2014, 05:42 PM
#63
knock it off leave the gang mentality there
if you dig around and see how other non intercooled setups run and the temps they see you might suprised
I found the benefits of a good IC to far outweigh the disadvantages of the pressure drop across the core and the slightly slower spool (maybe 200 RPMs and a few extra hundreths of a second at most). Colder IATs are better especially on a 10.5:1 boosted car but even on a NA car. Even going from a stock IC to a better IC I found I could run 2-3* more timing vs the stock IC and I lost a half a second on my 60-100 times even with a muck larger than stock IC.
11-02-2014, 08:33 PM
#64
Exactly. Do some digging on non-intercooled blow thru carb turbo e85 setups. Manifold is cold to the touch after a pull, often has condensation buildup from the temp drop. I watched one make I think 1200whp a couple weekends ago. You could see the condensation on the mani from 10' away.
Just because most of my fuel is vaporizing after the temp sensor doesn't mean the exact same thing isn't happening.
You have to understand also that this is ONLY on e85/e98/meth.
There are plenty of gas cars that run non ic but they generally have to pull things back quite a bit.
Just because most of my fuel is vaporizing after the temp sensor doesn't mean the exact same thing isn't happening.
You have to understand also that this is ONLY on e85/e98/meth.
There are plenty of gas cars that run non ic but they generally have to pull things back quite a bit.
Last edited by armcclure; 11-02-2014 at 08:47 PM.
11-02-2014, 09:23 PM
#65
Senior Member
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Exactly. Do some digging on non-intercooled blow thru carb turbo e85 setups. Manifold is cold to the touch after a pull, often has condensation buildup from the temp drop. I watched one make I think 1200whp a couple weekends ago. You could see the condensation on the mani from 10' away.
Just because most of my fuel is vaporizing after the temp sensor doesn't mean the exact same thing isn't happening.
You have to understand also that this is ONLY on e85/e98/meth.
There are plenty of gas cars that run non ic but they generally have to pull things back quite a bit.
Just because most of my fuel is vaporizing after the temp sensor doesn't mean the exact same thing isn't happening.
You have to understand also that this is ONLY on e85/e98/meth.
There are plenty of gas cars that run non ic but they generally have to pull things back quite a bit.
11-03-2014, 09:25 AM
#66
Senior Member
With an efficient turbo, reasonable boost levels and the inlet air source outside the 140* engine bay I can see it being feasible on E-85 or E-98.
