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P2135 Throttle Position (TP) Sensor 1-2 Correlation -PCM
P0651 5-Volt Reference 2 Circuit -PCM
What can cause this???
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P0651 5-Volt Reference 2 Circuit -PCM
What can cause this???
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04-26-2009, 06:52 PM
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I'm not mechanic by no means but I did a search on it and this is what I found. Someone on here I'm sure could give you more information.
#07-06-04-003: LSJ, L61, LK5, L52, LL8 Engine - Reduced Engine Power, MIL/SES Light, DTC P1516, P2135, P2138 (Replace PCM) - (Jan 19, 2007)
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Subject: LSJ, L61, LK5, L52, LL8 Engine -- Reduced Engine Power, MIL/SES Light, DTC P1516, P2135, P2138 (Replace PCM)
Models: 2005-2006 Chevrolet Cobalt, Cobalt SS, Malibu
2006 Chevrolet Colorado, TrailBlazer
2006 GMC Canyon, Envoy
2006 HUMMER H3
2005-2006 Saturn ION, ION Red Line
2006 Saab 9-7X
with ECOTECTM 2.0L, 2.2L I-4 Cylinder Engine (VINs P, F-- RPOs LSJ, L61) or
VORTECTM 2.8L I-4, 3.5L I-5, 4.2L I-6 Cylinder Engine (VINs 8, 6, S -- RPOs LK5, L52, LL8)
Attention: The following bulletin information is only to be used if the customer has returned for REPEAT repairs for DTCs P1516, P2135 and/or P2138.
Condition
Some customers may comment on engine operation in the Reduce Engine Power mode with the MIL/SES light illuminated. This condition may be repeated and upon investigation, the technician may find the following DTCs set as current or in history:
• DTC P1516 Throttle Actuator Control (TAC) Module Throttle Actuator Position Performance
• DTC P2135 Throttle Position (TP) Sensor 1-2 Correlation
• DTC P2138 Accelerator Pedal Position (APP) Sensor 1-2 Correlation
Cause
This condition of a repeat DTC P1516, P2135 and/or P2138 may be caused by an internal concern with the PCM.
Correction
Attachments are only available to registered users.
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Important: DO NOT replace the APP sensor. Inspect the PCM build date first.
Before following the diagnostic information in SI on DTCs P1516, P2135 and/or P2138, an inspection of the PCM serial number year and Julian (PCM build) date will be necessary to determine if the PCM will need to be replaced to correct the repeat DTC P1516. Refer to Engine Control Module Replacement in SI in order to remove the PCM. Refer to the above graphic illustration (1) for the location of the PCM serial number.
The serial number is read left to right. The last digit of the year is the 9th character and the Julian date is comprised of the 10th, 11th and 12th characters and is used to determine the PCM build date. Refer to the example below to read a build date from the PCM serial number:
* 8 6 Y N AU K 1 5 3 2 5 0 R P N *
If the PCM year and Julian dates are between 5182 and 5304 , replace the PCM. Refer to the Part Catalog to order the correct PCM for your vehicle application, if necessary.
Vehicles with PCM built outside the dates should refer to SI diagnostics for DTCs P1516, P2135 and/or P2138.
#07-06-04-003: LSJ, L61, LK5, L52, LL8 Engine - Reduced Engine Power, MIL/SES Light, DTC P1516, P2135, P2138 (Replace PCM) - (Jan 19, 2007)
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Subject: LSJ, L61, LK5, L52, LL8 Engine -- Reduced Engine Power, MIL/SES Light, DTC P1516, P2135, P2138 (Replace PCM)
Models: 2005-2006 Chevrolet Cobalt, Cobalt SS, Malibu
2006 Chevrolet Colorado, TrailBlazer
2006 GMC Canyon, Envoy
2006 HUMMER H3
2005-2006 Saturn ION, ION Red Line
2006 Saab 9-7X
with ECOTECTM 2.0L, 2.2L I-4 Cylinder Engine (VINs P, F-- RPOs LSJ, L61) or
VORTECTM 2.8L I-4, 3.5L I-5, 4.2L I-6 Cylinder Engine (VINs 8, 6, S -- RPOs LK5, L52, LL8)
Attention: The following bulletin information is only to be used if the customer has returned for REPEAT repairs for DTCs P1516, P2135 and/or P2138.
Condition
Some customers may comment on engine operation in the Reduce Engine Power mode with the MIL/SES light illuminated. This condition may be repeated and upon investigation, the technician may find the following DTCs set as current or in history:
• DTC P1516 Throttle Actuator Control (TAC) Module Throttle Actuator Position Performance
• DTC P2135 Throttle Position (TP) Sensor 1-2 Correlation
• DTC P2138 Accelerator Pedal Position (APP) Sensor 1-2 Correlation
Cause
This condition of a repeat DTC P1516, P2135 and/or P2138 may be caused by an internal concern with the PCM.
Correction
Attachments are only available to registered users.
Register Here
Attachments are only available to registered users.
Register Here
Important: DO NOT replace the APP sensor. Inspect the PCM build date first.
Before following the diagnostic information in SI on DTCs P1516, P2135 and/or P2138, an inspection of the PCM serial number year and Julian (PCM build) date will be necessary to determine if the PCM will need to be replaced to correct the repeat DTC P1516. Refer to Engine Control Module Replacement in SI in order to remove the PCM. Refer to the above graphic illustration (1) for the location of the PCM serial number.
The serial number is read left to right. The last digit of the year is the 9th character and the Julian date is comprised of the 10th, 11th and 12th characters and is used to determine the PCM build date. Refer to the example below to read a build date from the PCM serial number:
* 8 6 Y N AU K 1 5 3 2 5 0 R P N *
If the PCM year and Julian dates are between 5182 and 5304 , replace the PCM. Refer to the Part Catalog to order the correct PCM for your vehicle application, if necessary.
Vehicles with PCM built outside the dates should refer to SI diagnostics for DTCs P1516, P2135 and/or P2138.
04-26-2009, 06:56 PM
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I'm not mechanic by no means but I did a search on it and this is what I found. Someone on here I'm sure could give you more information.
#07-06-04-003: LSJ, L61, LK5, L52, LL8 Engine - Reduced Engine Power, MIL/SES Light, DTC P1516, P2135, P2138 (Replace PCM) - (Jan 19, 2007)
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Subject: LSJ, L61, LK5, L52, LL8 Engine -- Reduced Engine Power, MIL/SES Light, DTC P1516, P2135, P2138 (Replace PCM)
Models: 2005-2006 Chevrolet Cobalt, Cobalt SS, Malibu
2006 Chevrolet Colorado, TrailBlazer
2006 GMC Canyon, Envoy
2006 HUMMER H3
2005-2006 Saturn ION, ION Red Line
2006 Saab 9-7X
with ECOTECTM 2.0L, 2.2L I-4 Cylinder Engine (VINs P, F-- RPOs LSJ, L61) or
VORTECTM 2.8L I-4, 3.5L I-5, 4.2L I-6 Cylinder Engine (VINs 8, 6, S -- RPOs LK5, L52, LL8)
Attention: The following bulletin information is only to be used if the customer has returned for REPEAT repairs for DTCs P1516, P2135 and/or P2138.
Condition
Some customers may comment on engine operation in the Reduce Engine Power mode with the MIL/SES light illuminated. This condition may be repeated and upon investigation, the technician may find the following DTCs set as current or in history:
• DTC P1516 Throttle Actuator Control (TAC) Module Throttle Actuator Position Performance
• DTC P2135 Throttle Position (TP) Sensor 1-2 Correlation
• DTC P2138 Accelerator Pedal Position (APP) Sensor 1-2 Correlation
Cause
This condition of a repeat DTC P1516, P2135 and/or P2138 may be caused by an internal concern with the PCM.
Correction
Attachments are only available to registered users.
Register Here
Attachments are only available to registered users.
Register Here
Important: DO NOT replace the APP sensor. Inspect the PCM build date first.
Before following the diagnostic information in SI on DTCs P1516, P2135 and/or P2138, an inspection of the PCM serial number year and Julian (PCM build) date will be necessary to determine if the PCM will need to be replaced to correct the repeat DTC P1516. Refer to Engine Control Module Replacement in SI in order to remove the PCM. Refer to the above graphic illustration (1) for the location of the PCM serial number.
The serial number is read left to right. The last digit of the year is the 9th character and the Julian date is comprised of the 10th, 11th and 12th characters and is used to determine the PCM build date. Refer to the example below to read a build date from the PCM serial number:
* 8 6 Y N AU K 1 5 3 2 5 0 R P N *
If the PCM year and Julian dates are between 5182 and 5304 , replace the PCM. Refer to the Part Catalog to order the correct PCM for your vehicle application, if necessary.
Vehicles with PCM built outside the dates should refer to SI diagnostics for DTCs P1516, P2135 and/or P2138.
#07-06-04-003: LSJ, L61, LK5, L52, LL8 Engine - Reduced Engine Power, MIL/SES Light, DTC P1516, P2135, P2138 (Replace PCM) - (Jan 19, 2007)
Register Here
Subject: LSJ, L61, LK5, L52, LL8 Engine -- Reduced Engine Power, MIL/SES Light, DTC P1516, P2135, P2138 (Replace PCM)
Models: 2005-2006 Chevrolet Cobalt, Cobalt SS, Malibu
2006 Chevrolet Colorado, TrailBlazer
2006 GMC Canyon, Envoy
2006 HUMMER H3
2005-2006 Saturn ION, ION Red Line
2006 Saab 9-7X
with ECOTECTM 2.0L, 2.2L I-4 Cylinder Engine (VINs P, F-- RPOs LSJ, L61) or
VORTECTM 2.8L I-4, 3.5L I-5, 4.2L I-6 Cylinder Engine (VINs 8, 6, S -- RPOs LK5, L52, LL8)
Attention: The following bulletin information is only to be used if the customer has returned for REPEAT repairs for DTCs P1516, P2135 and/or P2138.
Condition
Some customers may comment on engine operation in the Reduce Engine Power mode with the MIL/SES light illuminated. This condition may be repeated and upon investigation, the technician may find the following DTCs set as current or in history:
• DTC P1516 Throttle Actuator Control (TAC) Module Throttle Actuator Position Performance
• DTC P2135 Throttle Position (TP) Sensor 1-2 Correlation
• DTC P2138 Accelerator Pedal Position (APP) Sensor 1-2 Correlation
Cause
This condition of a repeat DTC P1516, P2135 and/or P2138 may be caused by an internal concern with the PCM.
Correction
Attachments are only available to registered users.
Register Here
Attachments are only available to registered users.
Register Here
Important: DO NOT replace the APP sensor. Inspect the PCM build date first.
Before following the diagnostic information in SI on DTCs P1516, P2135 and/or P2138, an inspection of the PCM serial number year and Julian (PCM build) date will be necessary to determine if the PCM will need to be replaced to correct the repeat DTC P1516. Refer to Engine Control Module Replacement in SI in order to remove the PCM. Refer to the above graphic illustration (1) for the location of the PCM serial number.
The serial number is read left to right. The last digit of the year is the 9th character and the Julian date is comprised of the 10th, 11th and 12th characters and is used to determine the PCM build date. Refer to the example below to read a build date from the PCM serial number:
* 8 6 Y N AU K 1 5 3 2 5 0 R P N *
If the PCM year and Julian dates are between 5182 and 5304 , replace the PCM. Refer to the Part Catalog to order the correct PCM for your vehicle application, if necessary.
Vehicles with PCM built outside the dates should refer to SI diagnostics for DTCs P1516, P2135 and/or P2138.
How much is a new one? would it be better to get it from gm or somewhere else? would they install it or could i do it? would i lose my tune i have now??
and one more question. what about the one on intenseracing.com
04-26-2009, 06:58 PM
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Well like I said, I by no means no anything I am just trying to help, I also found this thread on css.net which could also help other people throwing codes.
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3480
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3480
04-26-2009, 07:03 PM
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Well like I said, I by no means no anything I am just trying to help, I also found this thread on css.net which could also help other people throwing codes.
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3480
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3480
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