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11-29-2007, 11:11 AM
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I would first correct this "really lean" condition you are describing. Either it needs to be retuned correctly or your running out of either pump or injectors and need to upgrade them.
Tuning our system is very. Give us a call directly at 1.801.447.2559 and we can go over how to tune both our Stage 1 and Stage 2.
Tuning our system is very. Give us a call directly at 1.801.447.2559 and we can go over how to tune both our Stage 1 and Stage 2.
the tune i believe is going really lean on me, but i know its not the injectors because of me only runnin 16 psi
how much do you thinki would gain once i put a 2.7 60 lbs, and a new custom tune to balance the a/f ratio
like spark plugs come out white lol..
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11-29-2007, 11:16 AM
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ok thanks...im running a 2.9 on 42s with a heat exchanger, intake, custom tune, and nitrous
the tune i believe is going really lean on me, but i know its not the injectors because of me only runnin 16 psi
how much do you thinki would gain once i put a 2.7 60 lbs, and a new custom tune to balance the a/f ratio
like spark plugs come out white lol..
the tune i believe is going really lean on me, but i know its not the injectors because of me only runnin 16 psi
how much do you thinki would gain once i put a 2.7 60 lbs, and a new custom tune to balance the a/f ratio
like spark plugs come out white lol..
then again, im lazy and just watch the wideband for anything funky
11-29-2007, 11:51 AM
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ok thanks...im running a 2.9 on 42s with a heat exchanger, intake, custom tune, and nitrous
the tune i believe is going really lean on me, but i know its not the injectors because of me only runnin 16 psi
how much do you thinki would gain once i put a 2.7 60 lbs, and a new custom tune to balance the a/f ratio
like spark plugs come out white lol..
the tune i believe is going really lean on me, but i know its not the injectors because of me only runnin 16 psi
how much do you thinki would gain once i put a 2.7 60 lbs, and a new custom tune to balance the a/f ratio
like spark plugs come out white lol..
Once tuned properly with what you have your looking at a 15-20 horsepower gain when you switch over to the 2.7" pulley. With where you live you shouldn't have a problem finding a shop to provide you with dyno tuning.
What your not going to feel is the added safety a water methanol injection system is going to add to your engine. This is particularly important with you running a shot of nitrous. This will help stabilize the combustion process slowing down the flame propagation when both on and off nitrous helping to reduce detonation and keeping the tops of your pistons and upper rings cooler.
11-29-2007, 05:05 PM
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Was this tuned by a shop or did you have someone else tune it? How lean does your A/F get?
Once tuned properly with what you have your looking at a 15-20 horsepower gain when you switch over to the 2.7" pulley. With where you live you shouldn't have a problem finding a shop to provide you with dyno tuning.
What your not going to feel is the added safety a water methanol injection system is going to add to your engine. This is particularly important with you running a shot of nitrous. This will help stabilize the combustion process slowing down the flame propagation when both on and off nitrous helping to reduce detonation and keeping the tops of your pistons and upper rings cooler.
Once tuned properly with what you have your looking at a 15-20 horsepower gain when you switch over to the 2.7" pulley. With where you live you shouldn't have a problem finding a shop to provide you with dyno tuning.
What your not going to feel is the added safety a water methanol injection system is going to add to your engine. This is particularly important with you running a shot of nitrous. This will help stabilize the combustion process slowing down the flame propagation when both on and off nitrous helping to reduce detonation and keeping the tops of your pistons and upper rings cooler.
how much for ur kit and how easy is the install?
11-29-2007, 06:30 PM
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depends on how you mix it.
meth has a corrosive property to it, also has a low flash point. clear fire is not fun. when mixed with water it takes the flash point an raises it, and the corrosivness of it is not much to worry about.
meth has a corrosive property to it, also has a low flash point. clear fire is not fun. when mixed with water it takes the flash point an raises it, and the corrosivness of it is not much to worry about.
11-30-2007, 12:14 PM
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You can look up the msds by getting on the manufactures website and then doing a search for msds. Most neg 20 washer fluilds are 20-30% methanol.
Methanol can eat at some materials, This is why its important to use parts in the systems that are compatible. You would be surprised but there are methanol kit manufactures that use parts in the systems that are not compatible.
It blows my mind. Alum can have issues it its under constant contact. People have it alum anodize commonly to protect it from chemicals. Then with Brass Compatibility's It should not be used unless its nickel coated. Some places charge you extra to get parts that are compatible with the intended use. I highly recommend to stay away from bare brass.
Methanol can eat at some materials, This is why its important to use parts in the systems that are compatible. You would be surprised but there are methanol kit manufactures that use parts in the systems that are not compatible.
It blows my mind. Alum can have issues it its under constant contact. People have it alum anodize commonly to protect it from chemicals. Then with Brass Compatibility's It should not be used unless its nickel coated. Some places charge you extra to get parts that are compatible with the intended use. I highly recommend to stay away from bare brass.
11-30-2007, 12:22 PM
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You can look up the msds by getting on the manufactures website and then doing a search for msds. Most neg 20 washer fluilds are 20-30% methanol.
Methanol can eat at some materials, This is why its important to use parts in the systems that are compatible. You would be surprised but there are methanol kit manufactures that use parts in the systems that are not compatible. It blows my mind. Alum can have issues it its under constant contact. People have it alum anodize commonly to protect it from chemicals. Then with Brass Compatibility's It should not be used unless its nickel coated. Some places charge you extra to get parts that are compatible with the intended use. I highly recommend to stay away from bare brass.
Methanol can eat at some materials, This is why its important to use parts in the systems that are compatible. You would be surprised but there are methanol kit manufactures that use parts in the systems that are not compatible.
It blows my mind. Alum can have issues it its under constant contact. People have it alum anodize commonly to protect it from chemicals. Then with Brass Compatibility's It should not be used unless its nickel coated. Some places charge you extra to get parts that are compatible with the intended use. I highly recommend to stay away from bare brass.Wind Shield Wiper Fluid Rating:
+32 Degrees Fahrenheit Rating - Contains Approx. 1% Methanol/99% Water
+20 Degrees Fahrenheit Rating - Contains Approx. 10% Methanol/90% Water
0 Degrees Fahrenheit Rating - Contains Approx. 23% Methanol/77% Water
-10 Degrees Fahrenheit Rating - Contains Approx. 20% Methanol/72% Water
-20 Degrees Fahrenheit Rating - Contains Approx. 33% Methanol/67% Water
-25 Degrees Fahrenheit Rating - Contains Approx. 35% Methanol/65% Water
-32 Degrees Fahrenheit Rating - Contains Approx. 38% Methanol/62% Water
-50 Degrees Fahrenheit Rating - Contains Approx. 62% Methanol/38% Water
Last edited by AIS; 12-02-2007 at 12:51 AM. Reason: We stand corrected as there is generally a 1-3% variance in methanol content per brand, not 1-2% as we originally posted.
11-30-2007, 03:18 PM
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Not trying to pick on you just trying to better educate you on the product you sell. There is no clear cut methanol ratio for any washer fluid. General the cheap store brands have more methanol. Anything over 40% usually always contains glycol which is a no no for methanol injection. But there are some out there are some -40 that only have meth and water.
from brand to brand meth content can vary very widely 1-2% to 50%
This is the important part of a msds
Notice the <6% meth
This is for rain x -25
Chemical************CAS No / Unique ID**********Percent
Methanol************00067-56-1**********<6
2-Butoxyethanol *****000111-76-2**********1-5
Water**************007732-18-5**********90-95
Siloxanes and silicones 999999-80-7**********<1
Peaks -25 washer fluid 35% meth
-25 with 41% meth
You never know what your going to get by just going off the freezings point.
from brand to brand meth content can vary very widely 1-2% to 50%
This is the important part of a msds
Notice the <6% meth
This is for rain x -25
Chemical************CAS No / Unique ID**********Percent
Methanol************00067-56-1**********<6
2-Butoxyethanol *****000111-76-2**********1-5
Water**************007732-18-5**********90-95
Siloxanes and silicones 999999-80-7**********<1
Peaks -25 washer fluid 35% meth
-25 with 41% meth
You never know what your going to get by just going off the freezings point.
12-02-2007, 07:09 PM
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You can look up the msds by getting on the manufactures website and then doing a search for msds. Most neg 20 washer fluilds are 20-30% methanol.
Methanol can eat at some materials, This is why its important to use parts in the systems that are compatible. You would be surprised but there are methanol kit manufactures that use parts in the systems that are not compatible. It blows my mind. Alum can have issues it its under constant contact. People have it alum anodize commonly to protect it from chemicals. Then with Brass Compatibility's It should not be used unless its nickel coated. Some places charge you extra to get parts that are compatible with the intended use. I highly recommend to stay away from bare brass.
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Not trying to pick on you just trying to better educate you on the product you sell. There is no clear cut methanol ratio for any washer fluid. General the cheap store brands have more methanol. Anything over 40% usually always contains glycol which is a no no for methanol injection. But there are some out there are some -40 that only have meth and water.
from brand to brand meth content can vary very widely 1-2% to 50%
This is the important part of a msds
Notice the <6% meth
This is for rain x -25
Chemical CAS No / Unique ID Percent
Methanol 00067-56-1 <6
2-Butoxyethanol 000111-76-2 1-5
Water 007732-18-5 90-95
Siloxanes and silicones 999999-80-7 <1
Peaks -25 washer fluid 35% meth
-25 with 41% meth
You never know what your going to get by just going off the freezings point.
Its Christmas time and AIS is in the spirit of giving. Heres your chance to win a free AIS Stage 1 Rear Trunk Mount Water Alcohol Injection System with stainless steel lines. Total retail value of $499.98 with shipping.
Its not often we read posts as incorrect or untrue as these two listed below. When we do we like to play a game called Whats wrong with this post? in which we offer the members a chance to test their knowledge. The winner will be the member who not only identifies the most number of untrue statements but also most accurately list the reasons why for each. In return we will award the winner a free AIS Stage 1 Trunk Mount Water Alcohol Injection System with Stainless Steel Hose shipped free to your door. We feel this is the perfect opportunity to turn this into a fun positive learning event for all.
After reviewing these two posts (listed below) we have discovered 10 untrue statements within them. Members have until 5pm Eastern Time December 7th Friday next week to post there answers at which point we will post our answers and reveal the winner.
To ensure the integrity of this contest AIS will require the winning member to post pictures on this thread once he or she recieves their prize.
Good luck to all! Let the game begin.
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*This does not include grammar errors.
* AIS reserve the right to change, edit or modify this post or rules at anytime if necessary.
* AIS will award only one winner
* AIS will not compete in any manor
* The winner is the member who not only identifies the most number of untrue statements but also most accurately list the reasons why for each.
* AIS will ship the prize Friday standard ground. The winner has the option of upgrading to a Stage 2 system by paying an additional $230.00 for the progressive controller.
To play you must post your answers on the following post listed below.
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1st Post
You can look up the msds by getting on the manufactures website and then doing a search for msds. Most neg 20 washer fluilds are 20-30% methanol.
Methanol can eat at some materials, This is why its important to use parts in the systems that are compatible. You would be surprised but there are methanol kit manufactures that use parts in the systems that are not compatible. It blows my mind. Alum can have issues it its under constant contact. People have it alum anodize commonly to protect it from chemicals. Then with Brass Compatibility's It should not be used unless its nickel coated. Some places charge you extra to get parts that are compatible with the intended use. I highly recommend to stay away from bare brass.
2nd Post
Not trying to pick on you just trying to better educate you on the product you sell. There is no clear cut methanol ratio for any washer fluid. General the cheap store brands have more methanol. Anything over 40% usually always contains glycol which is a no no for methanol injection. But there are some out there are some -40 that only have meth and water.
from brand to brand meth content can vary very widely 1-2% to 50%
This is the important part of a msds
Notice the <6% meth
This is for rain x -25
Chemical CAS No / Unique ID Percent
Methanol 00067-56-1 <6
2-Butoxyethanol 000111-76-2 1-5
Water 007732-18-5 90-95
Siloxanes and silicones 999999-80-7 <1
Peaks -25 washer fluid 35% meth
-25 with 41% meth
You never know what your going to get by just going off the freezings point.
12-02-2007, 08:05 PM
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12-03-2007, 12:01 PM
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Propylene glycol, Diethylene glycol, Ethylene glycol. pick one!
all have similar make ups, just do slightly different things. glycol is used in antifreeze to lower the freezing point of water below 31 degree's. some forms of glycol are used in moisturizers, makeup, smoke machines, and base for de-icing fluids for air planes.
or used as a "anti boil" so to speak.
why is this bad? it doesn't burn well. methonal and alcohol have a low flash point in terms of what temperatures will cause it to burn. which is why i don't run straight meth. clear fire is not fun. the basis behind glycol is to transfer heat, or to remove water vapor. depends on the form, and it's intention.
im sure im way off. it's ok
p.s. this is off the top of my head
all have similar make ups, just do slightly different things. glycol is used in antifreeze to lower the freezing point of water below 31 degree's. some forms of glycol are used in moisturizers, makeup, smoke machines, and base for de-icing fluids for air planes.
or used as a "anti boil" so to speak.
why is this bad? it doesn't burn well. methonal and alcohol have a low flash point in terms of what temperatures will cause it to burn. which is why i don't run straight meth. clear fire is not fun. the basis behind glycol is to transfer heat, or to remove water vapor. depends on the form, and it's intention.
im sure im way off. it's ok
p.s. this is off the top of my head
12-03-2007, 12:11 PM
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Rodney,
You can try to mock me all you want but the fact is being an alcohol injection dealer you should have a basic understanding of how alcohol injection system work, Chemical compatibility, used parts etc.
If you don't know the answer to something its usually best to not post than make something up
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Nomax seals I have seen you post this on other forums. I just didn't correct you.
You should know but the answer. But to help catch you up.
1. Because the chemicals commonly used are not good for the seals in the pump.
2. Not good for your engine either.
You can try to mock me all you want but the fact is being an alcohol injection dealer you should have a basic understanding of how alcohol injection system work, Chemical compatibility, used parts etc.
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Nomax seals
I have seen you post this on other forums. I just didn't correct you. You should know but the answer. But to help catch you up.1. Because the chemicals commonly used are not good for the seals in the pump.
2. Not good for your engine either.
12-03-2007, 12:31 PM
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it also does wierd **** to cylinder walls and bearings. not very engine friendly at all.
so green or red stuff going into combustion chamber, it doesn't combust cleanly, could sludge up the pump, nozzle and bad things will happen. don't use it. period.
so green or red stuff going into combustion chamber, it doesn't combust cleanly, could sludge up the pump, nozzle and bad things will happen. don't use it. period.
12-03-2007, 01:11 PM
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