Few Issues at the track
04-22-2011, 01:08 AM
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Few Issues at the track
Another failed night at the track for sure. Having a few issue with the car currently and have not pinpointed it yet.
1.Before the dual pass was installed i would cruise at around 60-70 for iat2 temps, after the dual pass was installed the temps went up to 100-118 cruising. Replaced the IC pump today cause i thought the other one was crapping out. Apparently not it still cruises at the same range.
2.Ebrake Signal wont turn off at all, brake is completely down as well. Of course the abs light is on as well so i need to see if it can be turn off using my HPT. ZZP Stage 3 Axles which included new hubs and spindles where installed and happened after this.
Also had issue holding the car still using the ebrake.
Tightened the brake up too but it wont hold at all trying to sit still and burn out. Have not gotten to smoke the tires yet and the brake is strong as hell and not sloppy. Feels like it should not move but it does.
3. Car is also trapping 6mph less than usual and would not trap above 101. Ran it three times tonight and trapped 100,100,101. with a best time of 13.8 with two 13.9 This is far from my usual average of 104-106. I ran it before BYT installed the clutch and i was hitting 105.69 with a shitty stock clutch that slipped really bad.
Was able to pull 1.9 60 ft being on slicks for the first time. Would like get 1.8 with a fixed mph up top
Car is schduled to meet with nick to finish the Meth install and tune for meth so hopefully we can find out where the issue is.
WTF is going on right now. I give you nice new parts and this is how you treat me.
1.Before the dual pass was installed i would cruise at around 60-70 for iat2 temps, after the dual pass was installed the temps went up to 100-118 cruising. Replaced the IC pump today cause i thought the other one was crapping out. Apparently not it still cruises at the same range.
2.Ebrake Signal wont turn off at all, brake is completely down as well. Of course the abs light is on as well so i need to see if it can be turn off using my HPT. ZZP Stage 3 Axles which included new hubs and spindles where installed and happened after this.
Also had issue holding the car still using the ebrake.
Tightened the brake up too but it wont hold at all trying to sit still and burn out. Have not gotten to smoke the tires yet and the brake is strong as hell and not sloppy. Feels like it should not move but it does.
3. Car is also trapping 6mph less than usual and would not trap above 101. Ran it three times tonight and trapped 100,100,101. with a best time of 13.8 with two 13.9 This is far from my usual average of 104-106. I ran it before BYT installed the clutch and i was hitting 105.69 with a shitty stock clutch that slipped really bad.
Was able to pull 1.9 60 ft being on slicks for the first time. Would like get 1.8 with a fixed mph up top
Car is schduled to meet with nick to finish the Meth install and tune for meth so hopefully we can find out where the issue is.
WTF is going on right now. I give you nice new parts and this is how you treat me.
04-22-2011, 03:27 AM
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1. sounds like you might not have flipped your laminovas, or if you did, you flipped them the wrong way.
2. sounds like the axles are causing the lights to stay on. no brainer.
You need to put the tires in the water box, put the damn car in 2nd gear, and rev it up high and dump the clutch. That's how you heat up the tires. If I can do it with a mere 222whp, then you can do it with much more. Be a big boy.
3. You are probaly pulling timing since your IATs are getting so high. If you are hitting 100-118 cruising, then you are probably 120-140 sitting in the staging lanes, and 160ish at the end of the quarter. It's no doubt your car lost mph.
Congrats on the 60 ft. time. That's pretty good.
2. sounds like the axles are causing the lights to stay on. no brainer.
You need to put the tires in the water box, put the damn car in 2nd gear, and rev it up high and dump the clutch. That's how you heat up the tires. If I can do it with a mere 222whp, then you can do it with much more. Be a big boy.
3. You are probaly pulling timing since your IATs are getting so high. If you are hitting 100-118 cruising, then you are probably 120-140 sitting in the staging lanes, and 160ish at the end of the quarter. It's no doubt your car lost mph.
Congrats on the 60 ft. time. That's pretty good.
04-22-2011, 03:31 AM
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Oh yea, forgot to mention that. lol.
There is a screw on top of your stock heat exchanger, unscrew it slowly until nothing but liquid is coming out, no bubbles, no air. Then screw it back down. Probably best to do it like 5 times and top off the coolant after everytime. Just to make sure.
If you aren't using your stock heat exchanger, then you need to find a way to bleed air out of the top of whatever heat exchanger you are using. That may mean that you need to drill a hole to bleed air and put a screw in it to contain the liquid.
There is a screw on top of your stock heat exchanger, unscrew it slowly until nothing but liquid is coming out, no bubbles, no air. Then screw it back down. Probably best to do it like 5 times and top off the coolant after everytime. Just to make sure.
If you aren't using your stock heat exchanger, then you need to find a way to bleed air out of the top of whatever heat exchanger you are using. That may mean that you need to drill a hole to bleed air and put a screw in it to contain the liquid.
04-22-2011, 08:03 AM
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Rall is right those cores are wrong had the same problem mine at at 80iat on a 90* day but ur Gunna be hot at the end of the trap use ice on the heatexchnger and bleed the air might be the problem or get a option b and pull the ebrake up dump 2nd and keep rev make sure not to bounch of the rev limmiter until u fell the start to get stick and drop that e brake ur tire we be nice and stick what I do
04-22-2011, 08:55 AM
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1. sounds like you might not have flipped your laminovas, or if you did, you flipped them the wrong way.
2. sounds like the axles are causing the lights to stay on. no brainer.
You need to put the tires in the water box, put the damn car in 2nd gear, and rev it up high and dump the clutch. That's how you heat up the tires. If I can do it with a mere 222whp, then you can do it with much more. Be a big boy.
3. You are probaly pulling timing since your IATs are getting so high. If you are hitting 100-118 cruising, then you are probably 120-140 sitting in the staging lanes, and 160ish at the end of the quarter. It's no doubt your car lost mph.
Congrats on the 60 ft. time. That's pretty good.
2. sounds like the axles are causing the lights to stay on. no brainer.
You need to put the tires in the water box, put the damn car in 2nd gear, and rev it up high and dump the clutch. That's how you heat up the tires. If I can do it with a mere 222whp, then you can do it with much more. Be a big boy.
3. You are probaly pulling timing since your IATs are getting so high. If you are hitting 100-118 cruising, then you are probably 120-140 sitting in the staging lanes, and 160ish at the end of the quarter. It's no doubt your car lost mph.
Congrats on the 60 ft. time. That's pretty good.
Its very possible i am not dumping it high enough. Tried 4k-5k dump burning out and the car just hooks way to well for the ebrake to hold it. So the dumping is not the issue its the ebrake not holding it. And i am a BIG BOY, lol
I would assume its pulling timing up top and will have to look at it today. It happened ever since the dual pass got put so not sure whats going on.
We did that last night its super tight pulling it up but wont hold the car if i rev it to 4.5 k and dump it.
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04-22-2011, 09:01 AM
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If you are putting the slicks in the water and dumping the clutch at 4k to 5k, you should not be gripping at all. Slicks don't tread water. Ask the track officials to spray more water right before you enter the box next time.
Here's a good question because every track and every person tends to burnout differently. Are you just driving through the water box and then burning out on dry pavement? or are you actually stopping with your front tires sitting in the water and then trying to burnout? You need to have the tires sitting in the water, don't just drive through it.
Are you not logging your passes with your laptop? If not, you need to log them so you can see if you are pulling timing up top and so you can monitor your IAT's throughout the run.
Here's a good question because every track and every person tends to burnout differently. Are you just driving through the water box and then burning out on dry pavement? or are you actually stopping with your front tires sitting in the water and then trying to burnout? You need to have the tires sitting in the water, don't just drive through it.
Are you not logging your passes with your laptop? If not, you need to log them so you can see if you are pulling timing up top and so you can monitor your IAT's throughout the run.
04-22-2011, 08:08 PM
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Well it dont matter at this point, car broke again today. Looks like the trans and maybe the clutch went as well.
Cant press the clutch down its super stiff right now. Car is in neutral but will jerk forward when i try and start it. Was driving on the turnpike and dropped to 3rd to pass someone, shifted from 3 to 4 and it car started grinding and shaking sounds like i broke a trans.
So its at the shop again and needs some parts
Waiting to hear back from zzp so i can place a order for a new trans on monday and maybe a new clutch.
Was looking at the stage 2 trans from them but need to talk to them first.
Cant press the clutch down its super stiff right now. Car is in neutral but will jerk forward when i try and start it. Was driving on the turnpike and dropped to 3rd to pass someone, shifted from 3 to 4 and it car started grinding and shaking sounds like i broke a trans.
So its at the shop again and needs some parts
Waiting to hear back from zzp so i can place a order for a new trans on monday and maybe a new clutch.
Was looking at the stage 2 trans from them but need to talk to them first.
04-22-2011, 08:20 PM
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Either way waiting on email back and hopefully they will touch base with me on monday so i can order whatever they suggest.
I got one for sale, i promise it will work send me 500 cash, lol
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04-22-2011, 10:23 PM
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Its been a rough few months for the balt for sure. Gonna place a order tonight with zzp for my option B and bracket for it. Then i guess the final drive of the stage 2 trans is not gonna work since i still use the car for highway driving. Its not completely just a track car yet but will be eventually.
Oh well few more $$$ being spent on Monday i guess.
Oh well few more $$$ being spent on Monday i guess.
04-22-2011, 11:13 PM
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my laminovas were never switched and the crusing temps are always 10 degrees from ambient doesnt matter how hot it is outside...i've been running it for over a year now with no problems at all my iat2s and cooling system is running great...
one thing to note is that some ic pump wires were wired wrong from factory, look at ur pump make sure that the positive + end is getting the positive wire ! the plug will go in one way but the wires might be flipped on the plug it self...
I had to switch the wires around to get the pump to operate properly...
Good luck with ur car bro...
one thing to note is that some ic pump wires were wired wrong from factory, look at ur pump make sure that the positive + end is getting the positive wire ! the plug will go in one way but the wires might be flipped on the plug it self...
I had to switch the wires around to get the pump to operate properly...
Good luck with ur car bro...
04-23-2011, 02:53 AM
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Its been a rough few months for the balt for sure. Gonna place a order tonight with zzp for my option B and bracket for it. Then i guess the final drive of the stage 2 trans is not gonna work since i still use the car for highway driving. Its not completely just a track car yet but will be eventually.
Oh well few more $$$ being spent on Monday i guess.
Oh well few more $$$ being spent on Monday i guess.
Right now on stock wheels and tires, if you are cruising at 60 you should be at roughly 2300rpms and if you are at 80mph you should be right at 3000rpms.
On a 4.45 final drive, you would be at 2500rpms doing 60mph. At 80mph you would be at 3300 rpms. So not a huge difference.
I say get the 4.45 final drive.
04-23-2011, 04:08 AM
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I know the abs light is suppose to be on, that is not my issue. My ebrake light wont come off now. ABS light is on due to the zzp stage 3 axles.
That's because when the ABS light comes on, the BRAKE light will also come on, because the computer thinks there is something wrong with the brakes system, not just the ABS.
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