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Old 07-01-2009 | 04:24 PM
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getting more power need some traction info...

I am getting the OTTP kit and I am going to need to get some traction stuff done... The only real thing I've seen so far on this site is the Ingalls dampner, but my question is with that will you notice more in car vibration? I am unsure of what it really is/does all I know is in my last car I got new motor mounts that made the whole thing vibrate and it was redic.

Any info on the ingalls would be great, or any other semi cheap mods to keep the wheels on the ground would be great too. Thanks.
Old 07-01-2009 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JAYNO20
I am getting the OTTP kit and I am going to need to get some traction stuff done... The only real thing I've seen so far on this site is the Ingalls dampner, but my question is with that will you notice more in car vibration? I am unsure of what it really is/does all I know is in my last car I got new motor mounts that made the whole thing vibrate and it was redic.

Any info on the ingalls would be great, or any other semi cheap mods to keep the wheels on the ground would be great too. Thanks.
the ingalls is junk. all you need is the stg 2 mounts that ott has.
Old 07-01-2009 | 04:28 PM
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yup ottp rotated tranny mounts is the way to go
Old 07-01-2009 | 04:28 PM
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the ingalls is junk. all you need is the stg 2 mounts that ott has.
will these make more in car vibration?
Old 07-01-2009 | 04:28 PM
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yeah the stage 2 mounts... no wheel hop and very little vibes.. i have full motor mouts , trany mounts, Everything poly so i know how vibes feel. but ott2 rotated mounts are great for little vibes and great traction.
Old 07-01-2009 | 04:30 PM
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rotated tranny mounts > all, there are very very little vibes to them.

I HIGHLY recommend the stage 2 mounts.
Old 07-01-2009 | 04:31 PM
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I am so turned off from redoing any motor/tranny mounts you don't even know...


I know you say ingalls is not as good, but will it make a difference at all?
Old 07-01-2009 | 04:35 PM
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you should be more worried bout snapping your axels with the power youre gonna be putting down. the ingalls is ok but isnt gonna cure your wheel hop problem, and wheel hop is not something you want, especially on these cars. like everyone else, and myself, said the rotated tranny mounts are the way to go. but to answer your question, yes ingalls will make a difference but not how you want it to make a difference
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you should be more worried bout snapping your axels with the power youre gonna be putting down. the ingalls is ok but isnt gonna cure your wheel hop problem, and wheel hop is not something you want, especially on these cars. like everyone else, and myself, said the rotated tranny mounts are the way to go. but to answer your question, yes ingalls will make a difference but not how you want it to make a difference
I see the Ingalls being MUCH easier to install than the tranny mounts too... How much vibration is made with the Ingalls?
Old 07-01-2009 | 04:40 PM
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Ingal's is teh weaksauce, trust me I have own, lol

You wanna kill wheelhop, you hafta to do the mounts, period

You can run an Ingals on the stock upper upper. Poly or ottp for the lowers and that will help tons

CABs also help.

And as others have said be careful on the axles.

If the do snap check my how to on installing real halfshafts (CABs also)
Old 07-01-2009 | 04:40 PM
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rotated mounts are nice because the work really good and dont vib much but solid mounts work better but have a good amount of vibs
Old 07-01-2009 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JAYNO20
I see the Ingalls being MUCH easier to install than the tranny mounts too... How much vibration is made with the Ingalls?
Ingal's will not cure your wheelhop. It will only marginally stiffen your upper motor mount. Vibes, like none.

You still have two more areas of soft mount (lower + rear trans) that are of major concern and cause your wheel hop

I run Ingal's ETD, Intense Poly trans mounts + CABs, DSS level 2 axles. The vibes are there, but they are worth the improvement in drivertrain firmness and security

But I can dump the clutch and just roast em, no hop, just rubber, that lovely smell of rubber

Don't try this on stock mounts or with an Ingal's and any kind of good power mod

Actually, do, and youtube it, then buy the spare axle in my sig link, lol
Old 07-01-2009 | 04:43 PM
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get the rotated mounts. if you are worried about vibes get the stage 1 rotated mounts, they will give no vibes at all, but even with the stage 2 mounts there are barely anything.
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What exactly snaps axles? I mean I am getting the OTTP kit is it really putting down enough power to snap axles?


Are the stage 1 tranny mounts going to be better than the ingalls still? I want very very very very very very little to no vibrations in the car... Like I said my last experience with stiffer mounts really made me sick..
Old 07-01-2009 | 04:56 PM
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What exactly snaps axles? I mean I am getting the OTTP kit is it really putting down enough power to snap axles?


Are the stage 1 tranny mounts going to be better than the ingalls still? I want very very very very very very little to no vibrations in the car... Like I said my last experience with stiffer mounts really made me sick..
The main culprits of snapped axles are wheel hop (#1) and torque.

Without knowing your supporting mods, driving style, and whether or not you track your car it's hard to say if you'll have any problems or not.

But, our stock axles taper to a shear point just inside the outer C.V. where all that I have seen, have failed at.
Old 07-01-2009 | 04:58 PM
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wheel hop will break an axle before power will. if you ever get wheel hop let off the gas and push in the cluth. its just not worth it
Old 07-01-2009 | 04:59 PM
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I don't take the car to the track, only other supporting mod is an AEM dryflow with the airbox mod and I usually don't get on the throttle that often..
Old 07-01-2009 | 05:17 PM
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Then you should be fine
Old 07-01-2009 | 05:25 PM
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Then you should be fine
without anything? or with just ingalls?
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if you dont plan on taking your car to the track then you wont really need anything.
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i got the ingals get no wheel hop at all and no vibes. but looking to upgrade to the ottp mounts later on
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OTT mounts are Teh Shitzers.
Old 07-01-2009 | 06:01 PM
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without anything? or with just ingalls?
If you never launch your car hard or drive it the way it was meant to be,, you should be fine, lol.

I personally like the ability to confidently lay into my car if and when such an occasion may arise

I personally recommend all Cobalt owners who mod to upgrade the trans mounts, but do what you gotta do man.

If you want minimal vibes just get the rotated mounts and thank us later. You gotta pay to play.
Old 07-01-2009 | 06:10 PM
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If you never launch your car hard or drive it the way it was meant to be,, you should be fine, lol.

I personally like the ability to confidently lay into my car if and when such an occasion may arise

I personally recommend all Cobalt owners who mod to upgrade the trans mounts, but do what you gotta do man.

If you want minimal vibes just get the rotated mounts and thank us later. You gotta pay to play.
Yeah I will think about the stage 1 mounts... I am assuming they are at least decent.
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ok i got a question. Made another thread for my TVS Build up and couple people mentioned something so ill just see what everyone thinks instead of making a new through. Not considering a thread jack cuz it could help this guy also.

I have a Ingalls TD....awesome on the street but on the track there is wheel hop. I just orderd the TTR Solid Engine Mount and the OTTP Stage 2 Rotated Tranny Mounts. Couple guys are saying the engine mount and rotated mount wont work together. Something about the tranny mounts change the placement of the engine? Which doesnt make sense to me cuz the stock engine mount would still fit. Then someone said people had to do some fabbing on the TTR engine mount...if so what was it? thanks


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