GM performance packages
10-09-2005, 07:04 PM
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Depending on how large they go with the injectors, they might have to replace a fuel pump, install a fuel regulator, larger fuel lines, etc. etc. That's why I think $900 is a very good estimate...
10-09-2005, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by VaMP
Depending on how large they go with the injectors, they might have to replace a fuel pump, install a fuel regulator, larger fuel lines, etc. etc. That's why I think $900 is a very good estimate...
10-09-2005, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Waylin22
My dealership dude told me that GM wasnt commin out with a stage3 upgrade, is he right or wrong?
10-09-2005, 07:41 PM
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How do these kits work? If I want my car to be a Stage 3, do I have to also buy Stage 1 and 2?
Oh ya I forgot... I found this on another forum
Article on Stage 1 and Stage 2 kits...
10-09-2005, 10:40 PM
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i almost want to get a 3" pully since i have to get one anyways and its pretty sweet that all you need for stage two is a pully. Giddy UP
10-09-2005, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ExHondaMan
Nobody knows.... despite what they might tell you.
Oh ya I forgot... I found this on another forum
Article on Stage 1 and Stage 2 kits...
Oh ya I forgot... I found this on another forum
Article on Stage 1 and Stage 2 kits...
Plus that should keep the price of stage 2 down. I think all of you should read this article. It very well could answer all our question with the exception of pricing!
10-09-2005, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cobalt_Supercharged
If what this magazine is saying is true, I cant' wait. Plus that should keep the price of stage 2 down. I think all of you should read this article. It very well could answer all our question with the exception of pricing!
Plus that should keep the price of stage 2 down. I think all of you should read this article. It very well could answer all our question with the exception of pricing!
10-10-2005, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by zinner
Just going to say isn't the only difference between stage 1 and stage 2 a smaller pulley? I don't think it's going to be a $1k upgrade from Stage 1
10-10-2005, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MarcS
Actually I think the only desirable item will be the reflash. Once people find out the injector size they will get it at their local parts store, and buy the 3" or 2.8" pulley from SFPHQ.
Well I was thinking injectors and reflash since it will be a package and under warrenty.
Pulley well I don't think I will need much warrenty on a chunk of metal
10-10-2005, 01:49 AM
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ah you crazy SS guys.. just like us a few years back with the SRT... so much speculation, all i can say is that it will probably be good bye warrenty, though i'm sure some dealerships will still honor some aspects of it, but it will be a dealership by dealership thing... good luck guys, I on the other hand am getting stage 2 for my srt tomorrow
10-10-2005, 02:53 AM
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something occures to me, the changes that these upgrades are pully, injectors, computer reflash. a smaller pully cost the same the stock one does if you put it on at the factory, same for injectors and software. if these upgrades are coverered under warranty then why in the hell didnt the car come stock with them? exact same price to make the car but with more hp. something doesnt add up.
10-10-2005, 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyCobalt
...GM is putting alot of engineering into the ecotec to ensure it can be entensively and easliy upgraded by the owner. I don't think some of you people realize just how well built and strong this engine is, remember it is all aluminum head and block, has a crank gridle with 6 bolt mains, the hydraulic rollers are good to 11000rpm!... the 2.2l crank is good to the 550hp level, the main bolts are good for up too 600hp level........... It just goes on like that. These facts are from GM themselves, i don't think you have to worry about upping the rev limit to 7000, the valve train stock is good for up to 7500, and over that a simple spring swap is all that is needed.
10-10-2005, 08:38 AM
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i heard that gm was releasing the stage kits in japan for the cobalts!
the price is
stage one: $19.99
stage two: $1,000,000
stage three: first born child (or mother-in-law)
lol i love all these rumors about the pricing, keep them coming cause it's entertaining
the price is
stage one: $19.99
stage two: $1,000,000
stage three: first born child (or mother-in-law)
lol i love all these rumors about the pricing, keep them coming cause it's entertaining
10-10-2005, 09:10 AM
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The car didn't come with all those changes stock because you are rught it would have 300hp, and nobody in their target market could afford to buy and/or insure it. It's called tuneablity, and the stock hp #'s are pretty good and under rated to begin with. GM is in business to sell cars and parts if there was more money in toasters thats what they would be selling, and by keeping say stage 1 and 2 under warrenty you now would be smart to go to them for your next hp fix. The factory 2.2Ll supercharger kit still has factory warrenty so i think a pulley would not be to much. Do you really think you need a crank gridle and 6-bolt mains for 200hp? they is so much power potential in this motor it's almost scary. I guarantee that stage 1 and 2 will be under warrenty or whats the point in the factory offering them to anybody but drag racers who's car are not street legal, think about it.
10-11-2005, 01:43 AM
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So with the Stage II kit, will the recalibration of the ECU only be specific/optimized for the pulley that comes with it? Or will we be able to choose a size to our liking (being resonable of course) without any additional tuning?
10-11-2005, 07:03 PM
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Im thinking the PCM reprogram with be specific with the pulley and injectors. Also remember that the reprogram (or reflash as some like to call it) will be done at the dealership only (at your cost). The Cobalts use a different program procedure than most of the other vehicles - done through a tech 2, candi module, passthrough cable and the tis200 computer for downloading.
As soon as i can get my hands on one (stage 2) im going to install it and let everyone know the details (since I work at a dealership and will be doing 100% of the work myself.
Jeff
2005 SS/SC
Red/red inserts, sunroof
lower grill
debadged
Raptor shift light
Stage 2 - when it gets here
Intake - when i find one i like
exhaust - when i find one i like
As soon as i can get my hands on one (stage 2) im going to install it and let everyone know the details (since I work at a dealership and will be doing 100% of the work myself.
Jeff
2005 SS/SC
Red/red inserts, sunroof
lower grill
debadged
Raptor shift light
Stage 2 - when it gets here
Intake - when i find one i like
exhaust - when i find one i like
10-11-2005, 10:26 PM
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My guess just based on the fact that the owner can install the parts on his/her own and only needs a tech to reflash the pcm would be that it is going to be around ~400 on parts for stage one and ~600 for stage 2 (if it includes all stage one parts) lets say ~160 for labor on the reflash for both stages may give you a good idea of the cost