bdwarr6

After I burned my clutch my sister sent me this, thinking that I had a stock car....


Sorry guys give Rob a call....

p7x

Thats not cool, been waiting so long for stage 3

MarcS

Stage 2 + I/H/E + Cams and gears should put out near 300bhp. That should be near or beyond what stage 3 would offer.

BullDog71ss

Meh, more dissapointment from GM regaurding the SS. No big deal, that's all this car has been so far for me anyway, a big dissapointment (as well as a huge money pit).

Thanks GM, I appreciate it!

AlphaJaguar5

Well that just plain sucks, looks like we will be on our own after these kits come out. If you read the wall poster about the stage kits it says "These are just the beginning of upgrades comming for the Ecotec platform" yeah ok. Bdwarr do you know what the "planned" items were to be in the Stage 3?

ExHondaMan

No big deal to me..... I wasnt expecting GM to release anything that was more then 260-270ish whp. Big HP number are what the aftermarkets for.

Tofu

exactly, more reason for the aftermarket companies to jump on the ball.

MarcS

Stage 1 and 2 are a big enough jump start IMO.

We'll still see big numbers soon.

p7x

My plans -

Stage 2 E/H/I till warrenty is gone. Close to 300hp

Turbo/twincharge and all the toys after warrenty. 300hp+

BullDog71ss

To me the problem is GM's lack of interest in their car and it's customers. Hell, look what Dodge did with the Neons, and how many of those factory tuned Neons have you been beat by so far Jay? Heh, that's what I thought.

I just think it sucks that GM is leaving us hanging in the wind by our skivies after the stg2 is out. At least they could show some more concern towards the vehicle and the following than just "Here kid, have fun with this pulley. Now leave us alone so we can get back to the Corvette."

Oh well.

Cobalt_Supercharged

That's probably why we lack torque gains on the stage kits. Hopefully someone will crack the PCM before too long and adjust the fuel mapping for more torque.

City

It's not a lack of interest on Gm man. A lack of interest would be to do nothing at all for you folks. They don't think the clutch or possibly other drivetrain pieces will hold up with the amount of power Stage 3 would put out, so instead of coming out with the Stage 3 setup, having people blow their clutches, break other parts and claim it should be fixed under warranty GM will leave it up to the aftermarket and still provide a solid basis to build on with the stage 1 and 2 upgrades.

Geez some of you guys are never happy.

bdwarr6

No they cannot do Stage 3 without an upgraded Clutch and pistons to much risk of them blowing or burning out while under just normal conditions, It was actualy a smart move to save GM more than likely more money than they would have made from the kits alone

City

Yup, ultimately GM doesn't want to sell you a Stage 3 setup, you blow up your car and then blame GM and be even more disappointed than you are now.

eastcoastz

Bdwarr6, still no word on Stage 1 and 2 release or price? Also if I was to buy the Intense kit how did you tune it?

dimeo09

you guys are funny, the stage kits havent even came out yet and your complaining about the way down the line stage 3 kit.... take chill pill sit back relax its winter time let spring roll around but the stage 2 kit and wait for true info. to show up, not random emails on the internet..

ex: stage 4 kit new pistons blah blah BS

wait for the **** to come out then bash it if it sucks or is GM messes up

City

^ I like this guy!

Badmunky

Me to!

theBLUEone

Oh well, as stated lets just wait and see.....I'm not gonna even worry about the GM kits, i'll go for the set-up Intense has...Not too worried about the warrenty....

3fo893013L

You play and you pay. You think adding extra hp isn't going to hurt something down the long run? be realistic

If you break something mom and dad ain't there to fix it, bust your wallet out.

1BADSS/SC

Unfortunately, in order to get to 300-400hp, our cars are gonna need some serious mods to be a safe day to day driver. I recently bought the GM Sport Compact Performance Build Book, and it says that the following upgrades will be needed: " installation of connecting rods and pistons, new head gasket and head bolts, and adjustible cam gears". It says that the ecotec is reliable to the 250hp mark, and at 300hp our connecting rods need upgrading ( <=== the 2.0l connecting rods ).

Now I know that the book covers the 2.2l for the most part, but there are tons of references to the 2.0l.

300 horses seems to be the max for our engines. After that our stock parts need replacing. Im also guessing that GM is killing the stage 3 kit for now because our stock internals are rated "reliable" to 250 hp, thus stopping at 241 horses.

dazednconfused75

The stock internals are good for 300 then you have to just swap out the pistons. I have the book on the coffee table next to me. It's clutch and half shafts that will fall apart first.

Hopefully the flash will be more forgiving than the present calibration.

Mike's SS

After the clutch and half shafts there would be motor mounts, trans mounts etc. People would throw a fit about wheel hop. At some point emissions would become an issue, dont these things have to pass for 100,000 miles.

jerm

iTrader: (1)

That's the wonders of 3rd party/aftermarket suppliers. Stage 2 and 3 clutches here we come! I'll be ready to pony up when it's time.

WJT DEMON

nevermind stage 3 or 4...I got my hands on a stage 10!! Direct ship from General Motors Saudi Arabia. This thing is CRAZY!!! Replaces the stock SC with an 8-71, EIGHT...new injectors and even comes with a spec 11 20,000lbs clutch!! Full warranty!!! I dynoed it last night on the Gtech and it was like around I dunno..like a gazzillion HP, it was hard to tell really, my eyes were all blurry from the G's yO!





anyways....really..why are most threads starting out alright and always stray off to speculating **** we don't even know about..