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Old 08-04-2008, 05:44 PM
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Help with cam grind

Hey guys...

Blah blah, the guy with the Saab, blah

Anyways, I'm doing a 400whp build and I figured i'd come to you guys when it comes to things like CAMS. I'm not very good with figuring out cams, I know a few things about duration and lift, but not very much. I sent an email over to JBP today asking them about a cam grind.

The car is turbo, it's going to be using a GT3071R, valvetrain, forged rods/pistons, *cams*, and then headgasket/headstuds, 630cc injectors and the walbro 255lph fuel pump with 6-7gph of methanol injection. That's pretty much the meat of the build.

For reference, here is the stock cam profile for the motor:
Will this do it, Frosty?
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/s...736&postcount=2

Intake 235 deg
Exhaust 240 deg

Ehhh, wait a minute. I got the WIS here. (In case you want to grind your own).

Intake lift 5.75544 mm
Intake open/close 14 BTDC / 41 ABDC

Exhaust lift 5.8703 mm
Exhaust Open/Close 47 BBDC / 13 ATDC

The above data is specific to the 2.0T.

The WIS also lists this spec, which appears to apply to all 4 cylinder motors:
Cam Lift, Inlet Valve 9.70 mm
Cam Lift, Exhaust Valve 9.90 mm

The difference between compressed tappets and expanded tappets is about 2 mm. So, I'm not sure where some of that cam data comes from.
What should I be looking for as far as a new grind?
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i take it, your cylinder head is set up like the lsj head with the cam sensor and all that fun stuff?
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i take it, your cylinder head is set up like the lsj head with the cam sensor and all that fun stuff?
yes it is
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Sandcast LSJ head = Saab head...
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I would guess that something like the 272 grinds some LSJ guys are using would be quite well suited for your turbo app, but I couldn't say for sure.
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i take it you have tuning software, ala hpt?
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im gonna throw this one out there...

comp cams turbo grind?
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272 grinds are perfect for turbo
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it's going to be custom tuned on the dyno by Nordic in a few months, we don't have HPT software for this ECU

The A/R of the turbo is 0.64, internally wastegated with a T3 turbine housing. I'm guessing the boost will be somewhere near 23psi

can you guys throw links at me?
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stock cams will support a good amount over 400whp.... just look at my car.

on a gt3071 23-24 psi should put you where you want to be

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ya know. id stick with the stock cams for as long as you can.

i wouldn't upgrade unless it becomes a flow issue across the head itself.
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stock cams will support a hair over 475 crank and the stock head is good to abit over 500 so you should be in the clear
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Originally Posted by Area47
i take it you have tuning software, ala hpt?
I don't believe HPT is out for the Saabs
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it isn't as far as I've seen from their forums
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paul. you're thinking blower stuff. turbo car, different grinds stock



::turns on light bulb::
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oh yeah lol. forgot saabs came with the correct setup from the factory

heads are the same, and I don't think the cam grinds could be too different from each other

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dunno about the grinds. guess if i get bored enough i can dig up the info on them
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Originally Posted by Area47
ya know. id stick with the stock cams for as long as you can.

i wouldn't upgrade unless it becomes a flow issue across the head itself.
good advice and it is a turbo as you say
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Originally Posted by Area47
paul. you're thinking blower stuff. turbo car, different grinds stock



::turns on light bulb::
I posted the stock cam grinds in the OP

I only have one chance really to get it tuned, the guy has to come from Sweden to do it.
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Originally Posted by ItalianJoe1
I would guess that something like the 272 grinds some LSJ guys are using would be quite well suited for your turbo app, but I couldn't say for sure.
The LSJ 272s are reground from LSJ cams with a wider LSA (preserved stock) then he would want. His LSA is a bit too tight for a 272 regrind imo.
Originally Posted by bridfi
im gonna throw this one out there...

comp cams turbo grind?
I would say something similar to this. Slightly longer duration than stock for higher rpm use, near similar overlap with much better lift.
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