Help, I'm debating 2.0 SS/SC engine vs vtec honda
05-22-2008, 01:11 PM
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ok so lets drop 1k off the balt and see what we run .. sunshine.. NO stock honda weighs 1700 lbs..
they dropped 2-300 lbs off that car not to mention that the K20 is heavier then the stock motor.. yes the motor might be cabable of it if you drop it into another vehicle but you could run 11's if you dropped an ls2 into the balt as well
05-22-2008, 01:17 PM
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05-22-2008, 01:23 PM
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05-22-2008, 01:30 PM
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if honda backed the teams like GM does now, the tables would be turned here.
he whom has the most cash, wins.
the K-series is a FANTASTIC engine, so fantastic that every governing body in the 4cyl drag world has mandated a turbo size limitation on them, they are forced to run a minimum of 6mm smaller on the turbo.
for your retards that say that isnt ****....6mm is HUGE in the turbo world.
and even with this limitation the basic head architecture is so well planed out that they are still making the same level of power(more in some cases) as the big dollar ecotec's....
hell, the big dollar stuff isnt even an LSJ, thus making your arguments full of fail.
if we were to level the field on funding and rules, the k-series would beat the ecotec.
end of discussion.
i'll smack talk honda's all day for any number of reasons, but the point still remains the K-series makes dam good power NA, easily mod-able, they respond to boost and the bottle better then the eco, in stock form that can make more power then the LSJ, if you want to compare things engine to engine its not a contest.
the k-series comes with the import things done already (ie awesome flowing head, solid port structure, ect) thus putting it one-up on the eco rite outta the box.
another eample.
RSX (K20) when they want to go bossted, offten run GT35R's at 6-8psi.....
why you might ask, well i'll tell ya...
because that god dam engine moves so much air stock (200hp NA) that any less of a turbo runs out of flow up top.
and even so, a local 35R car at 9psi made 380whp.....my cobalt on the other had took 21psi to make 388 and 26psi to make 426whp (it blew up 4 days later)
efficiency much?
the eco is GM's greatest 4cyl of all time, but its lacking in several of the most important places. solid yes, full of technologies....not so much.
if honda backed the teams like GM does now, the tables would be turned here.
he whom has the most cash, wins.
the K-series is a FANTASTIC engine, so fantastic that every governing body in the 4cyl drag world has mandated a turbo size limitation on them, they are forced to run a minimum of 6mm smaller on the turbo.
for your retards that say that isnt ****....6mm is HUGE in the turbo world.
and even with this limitation the basic head architecture is so well planed out that they are still making the same level of power(more in some cases) as the big dollar ecotec's....
hell, the big dollar stuff isnt even an LSJ, thus making your arguments full of fail.
if we were to level the field on funding and rules, the k-series would beat the ecotec.
end of discussion.
i'll smack talk honda's all day for any number of reasons, but the point still remains the K-series makes dam good power NA, easily mod-able, they respond to boost and the bottle better then the eco, in stock form that can make more power then the LSJ, if you want to compare things engine to engine its not a contest.
the k-series comes with the import things done already (ie awesome flowing head, solid port structure, ect) thus putting it one-up on the eco rite outta the box.
another eample.
RSX (K20) when they want to go bossted, offten run GT35R's at 6-8psi.....
why you might ask, well i'll tell ya...
because that god dam engine moves so much air stock (200hp NA) that any less of a turbo runs out of flow up top.
and even so, a local 35R car at 9psi made 380whp.....my cobalt on the other had took 21psi to make 388 and 26psi to make 426whp (it blew up 4 days later)
efficiency much?
the eco is GM's greatest 4cyl of all time, but its lacking in several of the most important places. solid yes, full of technologies....not so much.
05-22-2008, 01:48 PM
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Really? Who holds all the speed records for a 4 cylinder right now? Got a clue for you, it isn't Honda. And since when does where the money come from matter? It still holds the records. Oh and the records it holds were ones that it took by breaking those done by Honda's.
05-22-2008, 01:50 PM
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the water pipe on the back side of the engine says saab
05-22-2008, 01:51 PM
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funding is the key. can gm afford to blow 20 blocks apart? yulp.
can stephanie eggum?
**** no.
where do you think the ecotec came from
can stephanie eggum?
**** no.
where do you think the ecotec came from
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05-22-2008, 01:54 PM
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06black said it best.
Boosted, a K-20 is about damn near 50x better than a ECOTEC.
Only 2 Honda motors I have respect for are the F20C/F22C(S2000) and the K-20 series.
Boosted, a K-20 is about damn near 50x better than a ECOTEC.
Only 2 Honda motors I have respect for are the F20C/F22C(S2000) and the K-20 series.
05-22-2008, 01:55 PM
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That because the Jap's know how to build quality stuff. If America had the same goals, just think of the possibilties. But where stuck with unions to make sure **** is QauItYE checked.
Yes K-20 are beast on boost.
What else do you guys drive other than the cobalt then?
Yes K-20 are beast on boost.
What else do you guys drive other than the cobalt then?
05-22-2008, 02:11 PM
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05-22-2008, 02:17 PM
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Don't take this hard dude. I just have to put up with this all the time. I have had my ass handed to me on the track by a K20. But it didn't help his father is loaded and owns a shop for them to play with.
I just like my ecotec thats all. **** I know I will never be able be a fast as others.
05-22-2008, 02:18 PM
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Hey guys. I just got into this big online debate about the supercharged 2.0 motor vs vtec from honda. These idiots, like most honda rice owners, think that the ecotec is a joke and that the vtec in the RSX-s is far superior. Ive tried to reinforce that the ecotec is capable of handing massive modification on stock internals and that the vtec is nothing more than variable valve timing. I think what I really need to shut them up is a list of awards that the ecotec motor has won or further support as to why it is such a world renowned motor. Anyone have any advice? Please help.
05-22-2008, 02:30 PM
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Really? Who holds all the speed records for a 4 cylinder right now? Got a clue for you, it isn't Honda. And since when does where the money come from matter? It still holds the records. Oh and the records it holds were ones that it took by breaking those done by Honda's.
read this slow, maybe you'll then have the attention span and comprehending skills to understand a key point to this little debate.
the eco's do own many records, all held previously by Honda's. None the less the point being that if Honda, as a whole company were to set out with its own development group with in the company and give it the budget that GM-R has, then those records would once again by owned by Honda.
having the backing of a multi-billion dollar company, that has its own internal segment dedicated to racing, makes braking records far more plausible then if you were to do it as a team, just like every Honda recored holder in the past.
this can all be simplified by saying the fallowing.
"if honda backed the teams like GM does now, the tables would be turned here.
he whom has the most cash, wins."
that should sound familiar.
because stg2 is sooooo fast.
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