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12-02-2008, 05:28 PM
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seems like it might almost be better to just get the upgraded blower and the supporting mods.
12-02-2008, 05:34 PM
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o ya for sure thats the cheapest way but i just didnt know if u wanted to upgrade it. ya intake (230), full exhaust (1k), TVS (2k), Ported head (500), Meth (200), Dual Pass (230), H/E (202), Strut Bar (99), Rear Sway (200), Torque Damper (149), Rotors (400), Tune (300) so about $5,500 for about a 330whp
12-02-2008, 05:39 PM
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the head is one of the biggest restrictions...is it needed to be done no...some good gains from it you bet. with the stock sc and a ported head you could get around 300whp
12-02-2008, 09:34 PM
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12-02-2008, 09:51 PM
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well ur gonna have to do 60's, 2.8, meth, h/e, intake, full exhaust, ported blower, ported head and tune
so prolly $3,500 for stock s/c
but the TVS u do intake, exhaust, meth, h/e, and tune would prolly get u 300whp for about $4,500
so prolly $3,500 for stock s/c
but the TVS u do intake, exhaust, meth, h/e, and tune would prolly get u 300whp for about $4,500
12-02-2008, 11:20 PM
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You wont hit 300 on the m62. I will tell you that right now. 300whp is NOT going to be hit on your m62 unless its on a REALLY inflated dyno. Plus you would need a 2.5 or 2.6 inch ring to get there, and the possible damage isn't worth it.
SO with that said, your looking at the TVS if you want to stay with a supercharger.
HOWEVER if you were smart, and you want 300+ hp, you would go with the hahn turbo setup and go from there. If money isn't a problem, build the internals, get the hahn stage 5 kit, and be set.
If you are dead set on keeping the stock m62, you will need all the cooling mods, a 2.5inch ring, a great tune with massive amounts of timing, about 24 degrees, and methanol injection. With a really really happy dyno, you can make the 300whp mark.
Hell i am at 280whp on 24 degrees timing with a 2.8inch ring and a pretty good tune. Don't know how happy the dyno is, but people express different opinions on the subject.
Also, a small shot of the so opposed to nitrous, such as a 35shot, would get you there for sure on the m62 with a 2.8!
Actually, I forgot about internal work. If you port out the head, and put in new valves/springs/titanium retainers etc, then you might be able to get to the 300whp mark on the m62 with a small pulley and a happy dyno.
Still, it's not the best route, and not practical. If your smart you will go turbo, if you HAVE to stay s/c you will go tvs, and if your not smart, you will build the m62 like some of us have lol.
Learn from my mistakes, our mistakes etc, go turbo while you can.
SO with that said, your looking at the TVS if you want to stay with a supercharger.
HOWEVER if you were smart, and you want 300+ hp, you would go with the hahn turbo setup and go from there. If money isn't a problem, build the internals, get the hahn stage 5 kit, and be set.
If you are dead set on keeping the stock m62, you will need all the cooling mods, a 2.5inch ring, a great tune with massive amounts of timing, about 24 degrees, and methanol injection. With a really really happy dyno, you can make the 300whp mark.
Hell i am at 280whp on 24 degrees timing with a 2.8inch ring and a pretty good tune. Don't know how happy the dyno is, but people express different opinions on the subject.
Also, a small shot of the so opposed to nitrous, such as a 35shot, would get you there for sure on the m62 with a 2.8!
Actually, I forgot about internal work. If you port out the head, and put in new valves/springs/titanium retainers etc, then you might be able to get to the 300whp mark on the m62 with a small pulley and a happy dyno.
Still, it's not the best route, and not practical. If your smart you will go turbo, if you HAVE to stay s/c you will go tvs, and if your not smart, you will build the m62 like some of us have lol.
Learn from my mistakes, our mistakes etc, go turbo while you can.
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12-02-2008, 11:26 PM
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i love people who think they know how to do it. then there is those of us who know how to do it, or have done it.
300whp is easy.
tvs
intake
good header
3inch dp
3inch catback
79lb injectors {more breathing room}
meth injection
clutch
someone who knows how to tune.
this is the easy way of doing it if you want to keep the blower style setup.
this right here, is not true.
i broke 300 on a box stock m62 and a 2.7. just added cams to the mix and let it breath a bit better.
300whp is easy.
tvs
intake
good header
3inch dp
3inch catback
79lb injectors {more breathing room}
meth injection
clutch
someone who knows how to tune.
this is the easy way of doing it if you want to keep the blower style setup.
You wont hit 300 on the m62. I will tell you that right now. 300whp is NOT going to be hit on your m62 unless its on a REALLY inflated dyno. Plus you would need a 2.5 or 2.6 inch ring to get there, and the possible damage isn't worth it.
SO with that said, your looking at the TVS if you want to stay with a supercharger.
HOWEVER if you were smart, and you want 300+ hp, you would go with the hahn turbo setup and go from there. If money isn't a problem, build the internals, get the hahn stage 5 kit, and be set.
If you are dead set on keeping the stock m62, you will need all the cooling mods, a 2.5inch ring, a great tune with massive amounts of timing, about 24 degrees, and methanol injection. With a really really happy dyno, you can make the 300whp mark.
Hell i am at 280whp on 24 degrees timing with a 2.8inch ring and a pretty good tune. Don't know how happy the dyno is, but people express different opinions on the subject.
Also, a small shot of the so opposed to nitrous, such as a 35shot, would get you there for sure on the m62 with a 2.8!
Actually, I forgot about internal work. If you port out the head, and put in new valves/springs/titanium retainers etc, then you might be able to get to the 300whp mark on the m62 with a small pulley and a happy dyno.
Still, it's not the best route, and not practical. If your smart you will go turbo, if you HAVE to stay s/c you will go tvs, and if your not smart, you will build the m62 like some of us have lol.
Learn from my mistakes, our mistakes etc, go turbo while you can.
SO with that said, your looking at the TVS if you want to stay with a supercharger.
HOWEVER if you were smart, and you want 300+ hp, you would go with the hahn turbo setup and go from there. If money isn't a problem, build the internals, get the hahn stage 5 kit, and be set.
If you are dead set on keeping the stock m62, you will need all the cooling mods, a 2.5inch ring, a great tune with massive amounts of timing, about 24 degrees, and methanol injection. With a really really happy dyno, you can make the 300whp mark.
Hell i am at 280whp on 24 degrees timing with a 2.8inch ring and a pretty good tune. Don't know how happy the dyno is, but people express different opinions on the subject.
Also, a small shot of the so opposed to nitrous, such as a 35shot, would get you there for sure on the m62 with a 2.8!
Actually, I forgot about internal work. If you port out the head, and put in new valves/springs/titanium retainers etc, then you might be able to get to the 300whp mark on the m62 with a small pulley and a happy dyno.
Still, it's not the best route, and not practical. If your smart you will go turbo, if you HAVE to stay s/c you will go tvs, and if your not smart, you will build the m62 like some of us have lol.
Learn from my mistakes, our mistakes etc, go turbo while you can.
i broke 300 on a box stock m62 and a 2.7. just added cams to the mix and let it breath a bit better.
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12-02-2008, 11:31 PM
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The stock m62 can hit 300whp, before you posted that I said with built internals yes it would hit it. However so many people try to do it, and fail without building up the internals.
Do you think my mods without the nitrous hitting 280whp is on an inflated dyno or is a legit number?
drew/bry - The tvs is not the best way to go. I am a huge supercharger fan, but the more and more I look into it, if you are looking to make decent power, ANYTHING over 350 almost you really need to go turbo.
Obviously he is looking at the 300 goal, which the m62 CAN hit with a hell of a lot of work, and the tvs can hit with ease. HOWEVER a turbo setup can far surpass the hp of the m62/tvs.
That's just my 2 cents. *RUNS TO FIND FLAME SUIT*
Do you think my mods without the nitrous hitting 280whp is on an inflated dyno or is a legit number?
drew/bry - The tvs is not the best way to go. I am a huge supercharger fan, but the more and more I look into it, if you are looking to make decent power, ANYTHING over 350 almost you really need to go turbo.
Obviously he is looking at the 300 goal, which the m62 CAN hit with a hell of a lot of work, and the tvs can hit with ease. HOWEVER a turbo setup can far surpass the hp of the m62/tvs.
That's just my 2 cents. *RUNS TO FIND FLAME SUIT*
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12-02-2008, 11:34 PM
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the stock head is limited to 353 whp w/stock cams on a blower setup.
this is now counting in nitrous, so don't add that into it.
there has been several people hit 300+ whp on a stock m62 and live. then there is others who got really greedy and pushed it way to hard on pump gas and ate it.
this is now counting in nitrous, so don't add that into it.
there has been several people hit 300+ whp on a stock m62 and live. then there is others who got really greedy and pushed it way to hard on pump gas and ate it.
12-02-2008, 11:36 PM
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the stock head is limited to 353 whp w/stock cams on a blower setup.
this is now counting in nitrous, so don't add that into it.
there has been several people hit 300+ whp on a stock m62 and live. then there is others who got really greedy and pushed it way to hard on pump gas and ate it.
this is now counting in nitrous, so don't add that into it.
there has been several people hit 300+ whp on a stock m62 and live. then there is others who got really greedy and pushed it way to hard on pump gas and ate it.
12-02-2008, 11:38 PM
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Agreed. I am just letting him know that turbo is the best way in my opinion. I am not trying to start a war with s/c vs turbo by any means. But if you want anything over 350ish you should go turbo.
But, I do agree, the easiest way to get to 300whp while staying supercharged is with the tvs.
Although I do admit its a good feeling putting down over 300whp with the m62. Whether I am a "baby" or not for using a bottle doesn't matter =P.
Bryan - That greed separates the men from the boys muahahah j/k. I never knew the stock head was limited to 353whp. That actually shocks me. I never thought it would be good for that much. I am getting ready to drop pulley sizes to try and hit 300whp without the juice. I think a 2.5 or 2.6 will get me there. I just need a "secret" tune lol and an inflated dyno, and 24 degrees ish of timing.
But, I do agree, the easiest way to get to 300whp while staying supercharged is with the tvs.
Although I do admit its a good feeling putting down over 300whp with the m62. Whether I am a "baby" or not for using a bottle doesn't matter =P.
Bryan - That greed separates the men from the boys muahahah j/k. I never knew the stock head was limited to 353whp. That actually shocks me. I never thought it would be good for that much. I am getting ready to drop pulley sizes to try and hit 300whp without the juice. I think a 2.5 or 2.6 will get me there. I just need a "secret" tune lol and an inflated dyno, and 24 degrees ish of timing.
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12-02-2008, 11:45 PM
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to hit 300whp on the m62 you need one of two things. cams w/valvetrain. or a ported blower. OR the extreme side of it. an extended tip/high helix m62.
or port the head and stick a 2.7 and the rest of the supporting mods on it.
as far as the head flow limit. it comes down to the math of it all.
or port the head and stick a 2.7 and the rest of the supporting mods on it.
as far as the head flow limit. it comes down to the math of it all.
12-02-2008, 11:48 PM
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Area you ever port your M62? I've been thinking about killing the ridge on the inlet and opening the outlet a little. Maybe matching the TB to the blower inlet as well.
12-02-2008, 11:49 PM
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Yea, I think I am going to port the head, put cams on it, valves/springs/retainers etc, port the blower and see what she puts down. I am going to stick with the 2.8 and see if I can make 300.
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