High flow intake manifold***picking off where rebel stopped**
09-02-2009, 04:53 PM
#451
I liked the idea of keeping it water-air because I was going to get this with my twincharge setup to be twin cooled, but now its just single if I get this manifold, then I will have to go even larger FMIC than what probably comes with the kit... Might just get fabricate a quad single pass with the stock manifold. Depending on the air flow numbers this produces over stock.
09-02-2009, 08:10 PM
#461
Intersting.... So instead of buying just a manifold that has a built in water-air intercooler we have to buy an air-air intercooler, piping, fittings, along with the high flow manifold, scrap the heat exchanger, scrap the pump? Hopefully the cooling efficiency difference is worth it.
09-02-2009, 08:17 PM
#463
i don't see what you guys are so worried about. you don't think an air to air cooling setup will be enough for a roots style blower, when the same principal works to cool turbochargers that get glowing red hot, sping 10 times faster than any blower, and are powered by exhaust gas?
09-02-2009, 08:20 PM
#464
i don't see what you guys are so worried about. you don't think an air to air cooling setup will be enough for a roots style blower, when the same principal works to cool turbochargers that get glowing red hot, sping 10 times faster than any blower, and are powered by exhaust gas?
The issue here is more of "why go air-air over liquid-air", as opposed to "air-air won't be good".
09-02-2009, 08:24 PM
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shafter speed=friction(yes, what little there is actually does effect it). i know its not the compressor side that gets hot. but you can't try to tell me that the compressor side isn't feeling quite a bit of heat from the, coinsidentally named "hot" side. why do you think they have the heat shield on them? to keep the heat from spreading into the engine bay and protect the compressor side.
and why go air to air as opposed to staying water to air?? would YOU like to redesign a whole cooling system? i sure wouldn't.
and why go air to air as opposed to staying water to air?? would YOU like to redesign a whole cooling system? i sure wouldn't.
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09-02-2009, 09:36 PM
#468
i don't see what you guys are so worried about. you don't think an air to air cooling setup will be enough for a roots style blower, when the same principal works to cool turbochargers that get glowing red hot, sping 10 times faster than any blower, and are powered by exhaust gas?
Charged air from a turbo is no where near the temp created by superchargers. That is just the cold hard truth.
09-02-2009, 09:39 PM
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This is probably something you and all the other air to air people will never figure out. The water-air laminova setup on the LSJ is far more efficient that air-air setups used in most turbo charged cars.
Charged air from a turbo is no where near the temp created by superchargers. That is just the cold hard truth.
Charged air from a turbo is no where near the temp created by superchargers. That is just the cold hard truth.
09-02-2009, 09:40 PM
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yeah we decided to go air/air, couldnt make a better water/air system...we coudlnt get a core to meet the size restrcition of the manifold, and than we tried to make one of our own...that one took many man hrs to make, in the end it would of made the cost of production manifolds way to expensive....
Sad, I was only interested in a Water to Air setup. No way an air to air will keep up with a 2.7-2.6 pullied m62...
09-02-2009, 09:45 PM
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This is probably something you and all the other air to air people will never figure out. The water-air laminova setup on the LSJ is far more efficient that air-air setups used in most turbo charged cars.
Charged air from a turbo is no where near the temp created by superchargers. That is just the cold hard truth.
Charged air from a turbo is no where near the temp created by superchargers. That is just the cold hard truth.
I like the idea of air-air. If it so bad then why is ZZP using it on the twincharge setup? I know some people don't like them, but their results speak for themself. 465whp is good enough for me to think air-air is good.
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09-02-2009, 10:17 PM
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You are correct. The air-air the air from the turbo to the inlet of the supercharger which is then compressed by the s/c and cooled by the air-water in the oe im.