Killer Chiller!!!
07-13-2008, 11:53 PM
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we can sit here and discuss engineering degrees, and temperature differential equations all day....
but you cannot deny 2 simple facts.
1. Colder coolant WILL cause colder IAT2 temperatures. (to what degree is still yet to be shown)
2. A killer chiller, has been proven to lower coolant temperatures significantly.
If your referencing the principle of thermodynamics whereby a cold liquid will raise in temp faster than a warm liquid, when subjected to the same temps....
then you better dig a little deeper on the physics.
because its not nearly enough to offset temperatures upwards of 50*F in liquids, over a 10-15 second time period.
but you cannot deny 2 simple facts.
1. Colder coolant WILL cause colder IAT2 temperatures. (to what degree is still yet to be shown)
2. A killer chiller, has been proven to lower coolant temperatures significantly.
If your referencing the principle of thermodynamics whereby a cold liquid will raise in temp faster than a warm liquid, when subjected to the same temps....
then you better dig a little deeper on the physics.
because its not nearly enough to offset temperatures upwards of 50*F in liquids, over a 10-15 second time period.
The question is... are the gains worth it short of going to the track day in and day out as opposed to a spirited driver once in a while?
hence why i think you wont gain any more than your first run at the track.....maybe .10 if people are trying to stretch the truth.
Lets all take a deep breath and relax. We will definitely get a lot testing done on this kit, as I will not sale a product that doesn’t have the data to back up its "claims", and if it doesn't work out well then no one is out anything except me and the guy that installed the kit.
Again, I will not sale a product that does not work. I have a good reputation for selling a great product THAT ACTUALLY WORKS, and I don't need to screw that up. I'm just trying to help your community out with a proven product that works very well on forced fed vehicles, and at the same time make an honest buck.
Thanks guys.
Again, I will not sale a product that does not work. I have a good reputation for selling a great product THAT ACTUALLY WORKS, and I don't need to screw that up. I'm just trying to help your community out with a proven product that works very well on forced fed vehicles, and at the same time make an honest buck.
Thanks guys.
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07-13-2008, 11:54 PM
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Well said!! Definately looking forward and seeing some results. I know my 2.6 would love some cooler temps :P
Keep up the good work and thanks to all the guys who got the ball rolling on this. Could very well be a breakthrough!
Keep up the good work and thanks to all the guys who got the ball rolling on this. Could very well be a breakthrough!
07-14-2008, 09:14 AM
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you are absolutley correct anom and i dont want an argument...especially since i respect you.
The question is... are the gains worth it short of going to the track day in and day out as opposed to a spirited driver once in a while?
hence why i think you wont gain any more than your first run at the track.....maybe .10 if people are trying to stretch the truth.
i admire your product man, and i really hope it owns ALL ass (including my own) im being serious. Lets see how it does and if it does as great as people say....well you will have ALOT of people knocking on that door of yours, since our lsj is one heat monster.
The question is... are the gains worth it short of going to the track day in and day out as opposed to a spirited driver once in a while?
hence why i think you wont gain any more than your first run at the track.....maybe .10 if people are trying to stretch the truth.
i admire your product man, and i really hope it owns ALL ass (including my own) im being serious. Lets see how it does and if it does as great as people say....well you will have ALOT of people knocking on that door of yours, since our lsj is one heat monster.
I understand that you are just trying to think out of the box, and it is greatly respected. But this is a PROVEN product and that's why me and lsjwannabe were going to try and keep it a secret so as to not have anyone spoil the thread. I'm not saying that you are spoiling the thread, but trying to say it won't work is not worth the effort. Because it does work. I'll post some more reports for you to read from the cobra guys.
This is a customer review with data.
I would like to post up the first video we have from actual testing with a KC OFF and then ON (you'll have to forgive Joe's screaming wife in the background - once you see the video you will understand, LOL):
http://www.fordcustomtuning.com/videos/kc/kc_test1.wmv <---click!
(right click, save as, please!)
You can clearly see the effectiveness of this system on Joe's car.
KC OFF:
Cruising Temps
IC Fluid Temps - 88 degrees
Pre Intercooler Temps - 123 degrees
Post Intercooler Temps - 96 degrees
WOT Temps
IC Fluid Temps - 90 degrees
Pre Intercooler Temps - 223 degrees
Post Intercooler Temps - 133 degrees
KC ON:
Cruising Temps
IC Fluid Temps - 53 degrees (35 degree reduction)
Pre Intercooler Temps - 111 degrees (12 degree reduction)
Post Intercooler Temps - 64 degrees (32 degree reduction)
WOT Temps
IC Fluid Temps - N/A within video (will get from Joe)
Pre Intercooler Temps - 189 degrees (34 degree reduction)
Post Intercooler Temps - 88 degrees (45 degree reduction)
We will have more video testing for everyone over time, including with a Terminator and a Lightning.
http://www.fordcustomtuning.com/videos/kc/kc_test1.wmv <---click!
(right click, save as, please!)
You can clearly see the effectiveness of this system on Joe's car.
KC OFF:
Cruising Temps
IC Fluid Temps - 88 degrees
Pre Intercooler Temps - 123 degrees
Post Intercooler Temps - 96 degrees
WOT Temps
IC Fluid Temps - 90 degrees
Pre Intercooler Temps - 223 degrees
Post Intercooler Temps - 133 degrees
KC ON:
Cruising Temps
IC Fluid Temps - 53 degrees (35 degree reduction)
Pre Intercooler Temps - 111 degrees (12 degree reduction)
Post Intercooler Temps - 64 degrees (32 degree reduction)
WOT Temps
IC Fluid Temps - N/A within video (will get from Joe)
Pre Intercooler Temps - 189 degrees (34 degree reduction)
Post Intercooler Temps - 88 degrees (45 degree reduction)
We will have more video testing for everyone over time, including with a Terminator and a Lightning.
Thanks for the extra piece of info James. Here’s the calculated (estimated) numbers, for comparison. I’m assuming an intercooler eff of 80% for all cases.
Case 1, KC OFF, WOT:
IAT2 = 90*0.8 + 223(1 – 0.8) = 119 °F (vs 133 °F, meas’d)
Case 2, KC ON, cruising:
IAT2 = 53*0.8 + 111(1 – 0.8) = 64.6 °F (vs 64 °F, meas’d)
Case 3, KC ON, WOT:
IAT2 = 58*0.8 + 189(1 – 0.8) = 84.2 °F (vs 88 °F, meas’d)
Case 1, KC OFF, WOT:
IAT2 = 90*0.8 + 223(1 – 0.8) = 119 °F (vs 133 °F, meas’d)
Case 2, KC ON, cruising:
IAT2 = 53*0.8 + 111(1 – 0.8) = 64.6 °F (vs 64 °F, meas’d)
Case 3, KC ON, WOT:
IAT2 = 58*0.8 + 189(1 – 0.8) = 84.2 °F (vs 88 °F, meas’d)
Originally Posted by Pitstain
UPDATE !
This weekend, I gave it a good flogging on the highway, lots of on/off boost.....I was bedding in my new brake pads for watkins glen. Back to the point, I was freezing in the cab with the vents pushing 37 degree air into the cab, and the IC fluid post intercooler was at 48 degrees, I need to fiddle with my R134a levels a bit to gain better high rpm compressor performance but overall the Killer Chiller is kicking serious a$s on the streets and highway, My IAT2's are just a degree or two over ambient, whereas normally they are 29-32 degrees higher, so this equates to an average drop of 25-30 degrees in IAT2's, the numbers would be even better but I am in need of a bit more R134a in my system.
where I am at now is perfect for street/strip action, but for roadcourse/highway racing duty, I will add a little more refridgerant to the system.
There is also the possibility of wiring a jumper onto the low pressure switch to override it so the compressor NEVER shuts off......but that may cause more harm than good.
UPDATE !
This weekend, I gave it a good flogging on the highway, lots of on/off boost.....I was bedding in my new brake pads for watkins glen. Back to the point, I was freezing in the cab with the vents pushing 37 degree air into the cab, and the IC fluid post intercooler was at 48 degrees, I need to fiddle with my R134a levels a bit to gain better high rpm compressor performance but overall the Killer Chiller is kicking serious a$s on the streets and highway, My IAT2's are just a degree or two over ambient, whereas normally they are 29-32 degrees higher, so this equates to an average drop of 25-30 degrees in IAT2's, the numbers would be even better but I am in need of a bit more R134a in my system.
where I am at now is perfect for street/strip action, but for roadcourse/highway racing duty, I will add a little more refridgerant to the system.
There is also the possibility of wiring a jumper onto the low pressure switch to override it so the compressor NEVER shuts off......but that may cause more harm than good.
Originally Posted by gunman
we be killin' & chillin' installed kc. so far so good. i might have to lower the freon level slightly. i have 50 deg inside cab-vent-air. i haven't connected the digital water gauge yet. my water gauge is reading higher than acual. i do have this info: 80 deg outside temp & humid. 113 deg. iat1 temp; 97 deg iat2 temp. 45 mph. front of intercooler radiator block with cardboard. when i stopped at home, the water temp. was about 59 deg. inside the tank. this is measured with a hand held probe. i did insulate the a/c lines & have the water lines insulated except for the feed line from the tank to the pump. my tank is not insulated yet. my good friend "A/C Marty" helped with the evac & freon charging. pressures looked good to him.
we be killin' & chillin' installed kc. so far so good. i might have to lower the freon level slightly. i have 50 deg inside cab-vent-air. i haven't connected the digital water gauge yet. my water gauge is reading higher than acual. i do have this info: 80 deg outside temp & humid. 113 deg. iat1 temp; 97 deg iat2 temp. 45 mph. front of intercooler radiator block with cardboard. when i stopped at home, the water temp. was about 59 deg. inside the tank. this is measured with a hand held probe. i did insulate the a/c lines & have the water lines insulated except for the feed line from the tank to the pump. my tank is not insulated yet. my good friend "A/C Marty" helped with the evac & freon charging. pressures looked good to him.
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07-14-2008, 09:32 AM
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good posts ^^^
I wont probe the new "trick" your trying to perform since i like suprises.
My question is, are the WOT temp runs for the mustangs post 1/4 mile? or are they running the KC during WOT?
btw: im not trying to complain, i want this to work for everyone... i cant wrap my head around turning on a freezer for a few minutes, shutting it off and then throwing a flame thrower to it and wondering why its 160 degrees at the end of the 1/4.
I wont probe the new "trick" your trying to perform since i like suprises.
My question is, are the WOT temp runs for the mustangs post 1/4 mile? or are they running the KC during WOT?
btw: im not trying to complain, i want this to work for everyone... i cant wrap my head around turning on a freezer for a few minutes, shutting it off and then throwing a flame thrower to it and wondering why its 160 degrees at the end of the 1/4.
07-14-2008, 09:40 AM
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If your iat2's are that hot at the end of the track you have a serious problem lol. To my knowledge i run more boost than anyone and mine hit 154 at the end of the 1320.
Give it time and you "will" see improvements in iat2's and dyno numbers trust me.
Give it time and you "will" see improvements in iat2's and dyno numbers trust me.
07-14-2008, 10:02 AM
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120 IAT1s
140 IAT2s
WOT for 1/4 = +20-30 degrees during a run without supporting cooling mods.
yes yes i know im getting my meth from your shop tommorow.
07-14-2008, 10:06 AM
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My iat's rise about 40~50 degrees in the same amount of time and i have every cooling mod 
. That and the cooler charge will probably allow for a degree or two more timing to be ran up top which will to result in a gain
. That and the cooler charge will probably allow for a degree or two more timing to be ran up top which will to result in a gain
07-14-2008, 01:12 PM
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just remember guys, dont be confused that the temp numbers are IAT2s, they arent.
they are COOLANT temperatures.
what that translates into as far as IAT2s, is what we are waiting to see
they are COOLANT temperatures.
what that translates into as far as IAT2s, is what we are waiting to see
07-14-2008, 03:44 PM
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Lets all take a deep breath and relax. We will definitely get a lot of testing done on this kit, as I will not sale a product that doesn’t have the data to back up its "claims", and if it doesn't work out well, then no one is out anything except me and the guy that installed the kit.
Again, I will not sale a product that does not work. I have a good reputation for selling a great product THAT ACTUALLY WORKS, and I don't need to screw that up. I'm just trying to help your community out with a proven product that works very well on forced fed vehicles, and at the same time make an honest buck.
Thanks guys.
Again, I will not sale a product that does not work. I have a good reputation for selling a great product THAT ACTUALLY WORKS, and I don't need to screw that up. I'm just trying to help your community out with a proven product that works very well on forced fed vehicles, and at the same time make an honest buck.
Thanks guys.
) have faith in this kit.....don't mind the people on here that don't think this will work. Just keep the good info flowing to let them understand!!!!
07-14-2008, 10:06 PM
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I think this killer chiller will be a great mod too help cooling for sure. I have a large HE + water injection and my temps with the 2.7 & 60lbs injectors is 116 IAT2's 
07-15-2008, 08:24 AM
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highest I have seen this summer is 140 Degrees IAT2 and thats on a hot summer day and running my buddy's Civic hatch after 4-5 consecutive runs from 40-110+mph
Cant wait to see the Killer Chiller results on our car, defiatly thinking of picking this up!
Cant wait to see the Killer Chiller results on our car, defiatly thinking of picking this up!
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**** how the hell did i miss this...i live in alb and my iat's are off the freaken charts. i will go stop by today see if i can be a tester to get this going quicker. i will be out of town for two weeks for work but will see what we can do.
oh yeah mods are 2.7 ported sc, meth, 60's, hp tuned, air box mod. and horribly leaking tog header...waiting on zzp s.s. header downpipe combo to be shipped.
oh yeah mods are 2.7 ported sc, meth, 60's, hp tuned, air box mod. and horribly leaking tog header...waiting on zzp s.s. header downpipe combo to be shipped.
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just talked to him and he said they have a second kit to test i will call him back in 30 min for more info
oh yeah just did a couple WOT runs top of 2nd was 159 iats and top of 3rd was 192.....yes i know that is really bad
oh yeah just did a couple WOT runs top of 2nd was 159 iats and top of 3rd was 192.....yes i know that is really bad