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He's good to go, no worries

TStone

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Aha thanks Steve. Can never have too much meth.

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Get the meth nozzles installed and ill lean you out remotely. Should only take one or two flashes

TStone

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Alrighty!

Chevycobaltss3

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You can never have to much meth? Yes you can! When your relying on meth your using mainly meth as wot fueling. Are you changing the afr for methanol afr? Methanol is a fueling source but when your using it like so your using it more then the ecm controlling it's own fuel. So therefore you remove so much percentage of fuel from the ECM maf cal or ve cal or the pe table. So if something happens which it will what now? ECM gonna take over the 10-20% increase in fuel it needs to do? Eh sorry it won't. Tyler's car isn't even realtive to make how much power those nozzles are for which is (pointless) .

Drag cars etc use meth as a main source in methanol pure because they are tuned for it wit the right jetting and etc. i deal with meth regularly with cars that run pure in fuel cells and of course as a water/meth kit.


But serisiouly did you change to another tuner Tyler because I told you I want logs to tune you and not just lean you!! Ahhhh kids

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Hardly use it for fuel but you have two nozzles that are way to much for your power levels? I'm sorry Tyler but your post is inconsistent with your proof (unless your nozzles are like 5-6gph). Which is pointless because your single was plenty. If your spraying say 1400cc of fuel/water with half and half water meth that's 700cc of methanol. 4/700 is 175cc per cylinder which your relying on as a fueling source since it is a fuel. So if your **** doesn't work (which methanol kits are prone to doing. You'll loose 175cc of fuel within the tune. So therefore say your using 60% of your 80s wot and you install te methanol kit and run the 14gph nozzle that would be 175cc per cylinder. So once tuned for meth on top end your idcs drop to say 50ish or high 40s? That's a drop in 10+% fuel (which means the methanol is being used as a fuel) . If meth isn't being used as fuel you woulnt be using methanol. "meth kit"

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Nozzle choice isn't based on hp, they are a universal jetting. There are too many variables for every car and setup to use a silly HP calculator to determine nozzle size.

James while the novel is educational to some, the choice has to be made when e85 isn't around.

The pumps failure rate hardly is existent, and let's say for whatever reason it does. The wideband is directly in front of him at all times. Let's not forget all the wonderful adders as well

Chevycobaltss3

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You dont know tyler like i do lol which is why im so eh with him lol.


Injector nozzles are based on power ( engine output) because the engine can only handle what it can take. If the car is only making 300whp which ill say is 320-330 relative crank, you dont want to install a nozzle that is to large because youll end up tuning the fuel into the map (rely on the meth to much for fueling because its to large of nozzle "to much fuel atomization within the meth) which is ok for a nozzle that is good or its size. A 6gph nozzle is perfect for a 300chp car, now with the tvs and tylers setup most id go is a 8gph nozzle.. Which that is honestly a little much.... Most of the time when a larger nozzle is used its being used as a fueling source... here is the calculator which is used for meth injection per devilsown

DevilsOwn Injection



Now if thats what tyler wants then that is great and all but, when it comes to responsibility he lacks thereof so i try to talk him out of things a little ... Hes a good guy, he just needs (to mature).. Thats all..

tylerjclance

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Stupid dyno operators

what a waste of time, good thing it was free..

Dyno testing, Operators don't know what they're doing - YouTube

only revving to 4900, never going WOT

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I gathered what kind of person he is by talking to him and his tuner. He has a lot to learn; comes with time.

That calculator has never been accurate. Try applying it to real world scenarios on the LSJ.
Your talking about using alcohol as a large secondary source of fuel on a LSJ as if it's a bad thing.

He wants to squeeze as much out of the tvs as he can with out using e-85, this is how you have to do it.

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When your pushing meth as a secondary fuel or wot fuel it is a bad thing if the car is a dd. what is gonna happen when something fails and your not looking . This is why so many cars blow on meth. I'm not saying its bad but to Simone with no understanding or just very little it's not a good idea.

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That's ultimately his decision to make senor.

He's going to have to start paying attention. This is no longer the baby m62 on a peewee 16 psi setup.

What if this and that... anything is possible... chances are, it won't happen.

Chevycobaltss3

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It is his decision which is also why responsibility is not shown there as well. I've already talked with blue about his 14gph because it is puddling up in the manifold when he lets off.

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Is he not running a check valve pre nozzle?

We have no issues with puddling after letting off with as much as 28gph on 22 PSI.

I understand this approach is foreign to you, I really do. Keep at it, if your as good as they say you'll find your answer.

carstedt

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y would u need to run dual nozzles on ur engine neways? its not built or heavily modified..jus doesnt seem necessary to me..i ran 1 but im swapping to 2 now but idk mayb im wrong or missing sumtin

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For greater atomization

Also, they don't have 20gph single nozzles available to order.

You are on e-85, your setup is merely using it for a source of cooling. You wouldn't need any where near the amount of jetting because of this.

carstedt

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ya im tracking that its used more for cooling for me...but since hes not on e85 hes using the meth as a source of fuel to up the octane correct? im jus tryin to learn a bit for myself and to understand the discussion between u and james.this is the 1st car ive ever used meth on so its still sumwhat new

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In Tstone's case it plays a huge factor on octane and cooling of both the blower and where the pressure is being made.

A roots supercharger, even one as high tech as the small TVS 1320 is not efficient @ 26 PSI.

The TVS on a 2.6 pulley @ 7200 rpm is spinning to 18000 rpm. This produces considerable amount of heat at the blower.

Your next obstacle is the 26 psi being created at the point of greatest restriction where the lower manifold runners meet the intake side of the head. This contributes considerably to IAT2s

Methanol is quick to vaporize, but is an effect octane booster when enough of it is ran. It also pulls heat out, not as effectively as water though.

Water turns to steam providing a infinite octane effect since it cannot burn, slowing the combustion down. It also pulls the most of amount of heat due to high heat latency.

Combine the two, and this is why they work so well together.

May I suggest a very good article?
http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.c...icle_info.html

carstedt

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ahhh ok that makes sense..that was a good explanation thank you...now with e85 im running a 50/50 mix water/meth..is that a good mixture to run with e85?

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When is running 50/50 ever a bad mixture to run lol...

Just run enough with your setup to keep the iat2 at bay.

advise

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Anyone know a good pulley to run with an ati balancer
8k Redline
With stock bottom end
I figure my current 2.7 will be way too much

carstedt

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i wasnt sayin it was a bad mixture i was just asking if ther is a better 1 to run with e85...once im back from this deployment ill have to check it out again im running 2 nozzles on it now though

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A 3" pulley on a ati will put you at 18000 TVS S/C rpm by 8000.

a 3.1" will put you @ 17,500 tvs s/c rpm by 8000.

Those ^ wouldn't be a bad start

Oh I know you were, I was only messing with you.

When your back experiment. Try different nozzle sizes using 50/50, 25% methanol & 75% water, and 100% water.

Melon

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Steve I love ur posts. Always edumacational

Chevycobaltss3

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100%meth te purpose of my posts are to explain its not smart to go purely based on meth for wot. Lol I know what the hell I'm talking about lol. I have a couple ls series running pure meth along with a lax syclone on 110 and 50/50 with a ally control methanol kit running two nozzles. ( but they aren't dds, or they have a seperate file for dd driving)