OTTP Return style fuel system Worth it?
06-07-2009 | 05:27 PM
#26
This type of thinking is exactly what has kept the Cobalt market so slow for so many years.
If you can find a post, email, conversation of any type where a ZZP affiliate said that you can't gain power from meth injection, I would love to see it. The fact is that you completely misunderstand the point that we try to make time and time again. We have said repeatedly that methanol is a great fuel and that power gains are to be had. Unfortunately, people somehow confuse water and/or washer fluid with methanol, which is just plain silly. While your 90% methanol mixture may work great, straight water or typical washer fluid will not. Please process this statement thoroughly before quoting it or commenting about it. Thanks.
LNF motors still use a fuel rail. It is just located under the intake runners.
If you can find a post, email, conversation of any type where a ZZP affiliate said that you can't gain power from meth injection, I would love to see it. The fact is that you completely misunderstand the point that we try to make time and time again. We have said repeatedly that methanol is a great fuel and that power gains are to be had. Unfortunately, people somehow confuse water and/or washer fluid with methanol, which is just plain silly. While your 90% methanol mixture may work great, straight water or typical washer fluid will not. Please process this statement thoroughly before quoting it or commenting about it. Thanks.
LNF motors still use a fuel rail. It is just located under the intake runners.
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/supporting-vendor-deals-group-purchases-133/free-zzp-money-someone-alky-kit-118291/
06-07-2009 | 09:40 PM
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Are you kidding me? That is exactly what I am talking about! Zoom clearly stated that it does not work "using anything but nearly pure alcohol". 90% meth is "nearly pure alcohol!" It's not a "bitch slap" unless you are saying that lsjwannabe hits like a girl.
Keep digging! You won't find anywhere where that we said anything about meth not working.
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06-07-2009 | 10:29 PM
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Are you kidding me? That is exactly what I am talking about! Zoom clearly stated that it does not work "using anything but nearly pure alcohol". 90% meth is "nearly pure alcohol!" It's not a "bitch slap" unless you are saying that lsjwannabe hits like a girl.
Keep digging! You won't find anywhere where that we said anything about meth not working.
Keep digging! You won't find anywhere where that we said anything about meth not working.
I'll change it for Seans manliness.
ouch!!! i felt that flying knee to the bottom of the chin that would cause the recipiant to have massive facial reconstruction, over here in jersey!
06-08-2009 | 05:49 AM
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I knew ZZP couldnt stop but posting in my thread when I kindly asked them not too. I think they may have some serious issues with flapping their mouths off. If you MATT and ZOOOMER actually spent as much time in the R+D department at ZZP as you do posting bullshit on this site your shi* might not break all over hells half acre. No wonder I dont buy from you guys but rather Josh @ OTTP because hes actually a very respectful GROWN ADULT WHO VALUES OUR BUSINESS unlike other vendors I know......
06-08-2009 | 11:57 AM
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06-08-2009 | 12:07 PM
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I knew ZZP couldnt stop but posting in my thread when I kindly asked them not too. I think they may have some serious issues with flapping their mouths off. If you MATT and ZOOOMER actually spent as much time in the R+D department at ZZP as you do posting bullshit on this site your shi* might not break all over hells half acre. No wonder I dont buy from you guys but rather Josh @ OTTP because hes actually a very respectful GROWN ADULT WHO VALUES OUR BUSINESS unlike other vendors I know......
Slamming ZZP and commenting(incorrectly) about something we said, and then wodering why we respond? Wow.
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06-08-2009 | 01:14 PM
#36
The truth is that no one at ZZP, including myself has ever said that methanol didn't work. In fact, ZZP is the only source on this board who knew enough to post that it makes 5% more power over gasoline all else being equal. Then OTT posts up me saying that it works as evidence that I said it doesn't work.
You guys are something else. It's not wonder it was so easy to make/take every cobalt record. I'm sure people will start tuning in shortly when they get tired of false information and slow times/low HP...
BTW, next time you want ZZP out of a thread. 1. Don't bring my name up. 2. If you do, don't make up lies about us.
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06-08-2009 | 01:33 PM
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If you consider making up lies about someone and then asking them not to comment "nice" then you need a lesson in etiquette.
The truth is that no one, including myself has ever said that methanol didn't work. In fact, ZZP is the only source on this board who knew enough to post that it makes 5% more power over gasoline all else being equal. Then OTT posts up me saying that it works as evidence that I said it doesn't work.
You guys are something else. It's not wonder it was so easy to make/take every cobalt record. I'm sure people will start tuning in shortly when they get tired of false information and slow times/low HP...
BTW, next time you want ZZP out of a thread. 1. Don't bring my name up. 2. If you do, don't make up lies about us.
The truth is that no one, including myself has ever said that methanol didn't work. In fact, ZZP is the only source on this board who knew enough to post that it makes 5% more power over gasoline all else being equal. Then OTT posts up me saying that it works as evidence that I said it doesn't work.
You guys are something else. It's not wonder it was so easy to make/take every cobalt record. I'm sure people will start tuning in shortly when they get tired of false information and slow times/low HP...
BTW, next time you want ZZP out of a thread. 1. Don't bring my name up. 2. If you do, don't make up lies about us.
06-08-2009 | 01:41 PM
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If you consider making up lies about someone and then asking them not to comment "nice" then you need a lesson in etiquette.
The truth is that no one, including myself has ever said that methanol didn't work. In fact, ZZP is the only source on this board who knew enough to post that it makes 5% more power over gasoline all else being equal. Then OTT posts up me saying that it works as evidence that I said it doesn't work.
You guys are something else. It's not wonder it was so easy to make/take every cobalt record. I'm sure people will start tuning in shortly when they get tired of false information and slow times/low HP...
BTW, next time you want ZZP out of a thread. 1. Don't bring my name up. 2. If you do, don't make up lies about us.
The truth is that no one, including myself has ever said that methanol didn't work. In fact, ZZP is the only source on this board who knew enough to post that it makes 5% more power over gasoline all else being equal. Then OTT posts up me saying that it works as evidence that I said it doesn't work.
You guys are something else. It's not wonder it was so easy to make/take every cobalt record. I'm sure people will start tuning in shortly when they get tired of false information and slow times/low HP...
BTW, next time you want ZZP out of a thread. 1. Don't bring my name up. 2. If you do, don't make up lies about us.
06-08-2009 | 03:23 PM
#40
So vendors can bash other vendors and get away with it? hmm. your always calling them out and bashing every product they have saying your is ZZP's is so much better. I guess instead of offering decent products your approach is to bullshit your way into sales. nice try, bad approach, hence why OTTP will get my money 74 billion times before i ever think about giving a penny to a bullshit company.
OTT actually got into this thread, lied about ZZP and when we pointed it out, customer such as you, bash ZZP as if we're starting crap. Look at which company posted first and what they said. I said nothing about OTT, except that they are making up lies about ZZP. Since you like them over us, you ignore the evidence, posts and facts and simple back them while bashing us. I understand, but I won't sit by idle and let people lie about ZZP.
In terms of who is offering better products? That's an opinion. I just know that ZZP is running the fastest times, making the most HP, and setting all the records. Some people mod to make friends, some mod to make their cars faster. It's your choice.
06-08-2009 | 03:31 PM
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If anyone says anything about you it's always lies lol. You are never wrong man. I find that extremely humorous!My problem is the same as anyone's on this forum would be. If someone calls you out and makes up blatent lies about you and the posts them, you would defend yourself. I think anyone here would. The difference is that many people here who dislike me feel that I should sit by idle while people are lying and slandering me, rather than correcting them.
In this thread, I didn't say a word about OTT, no one from ZZP did.
OTT actually got into this thread, lied about ZZP and when we pointed it out, customer such as you, bash ZZP as if we're starting crap. Look at which company posted first and what they said. I said nothing about OTT, except that they are making up lies about ZZP. Since you like them over us, you ignore the evidence, posts and facts and simple back them while bashing us. I understand, but I won't sit by idle and let people lie about ZZP.
In terms of who is offering better products? That's an opinion. I just know that ZZP is running the fastest times, making the most HP, and setting all the records. Some people mod to make friends, some mod to make their cars faster. It's your choice.
In this thread, I didn't say a word about OTT, no one from ZZP did.
OTT actually got into this thread, lied about ZZP and when we pointed it out, customer such as you, bash ZZP as if we're starting crap. Look at which company posted first and what they said. I said nothing about OTT, except that they are making up lies about ZZP. Since you like them over us, you ignore the evidence, posts and facts and simple back them while bashing us. I understand, but I won't sit by idle and let people lie about ZZP.
In terms of who is offering better products? That's an opinion. I just know that ZZP is running the fastest times, making the most HP, and setting all the records. Some people mod to make friends, some mod to make their cars faster. It's your choice.
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06-08-2009 | 03:37 PM
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If you consider making up lies about someone and then asking them not to comment "nice" then you need a lesson in etiquette.
The truth is that no one at ZZP, including myself has ever said that methanol didn't work. In fact, ZZP is the only source on this board who knew enough to post that it makes 5% more power over gasoline all else being equal. Then OTT posts up me saying that it works as evidence that I said it doesn't work.
You guys are something else. It's not wonder it was so easy to make/take every cobalt record. I'm sure people will start tuning in shortly when they get tired of false information and slow times/low HP...
BTW, next time you want ZZP out of a thread. 1. Don't bring my name up. 2. If you do, don't make up lies about us.
The truth is that no one at ZZP, including myself has ever said that methanol didn't work. In fact, ZZP is the only source on this board who knew enough to post that it makes 5% more power over gasoline all else being equal. Then OTT posts up me saying that it works as evidence that I said it doesn't work.
You guys are something else. It's not wonder it was so easy to make/take every cobalt record. I'm sure people will start tuning in shortly when they get tired of false information and slow times/low HP...
BTW, next time you want ZZP out of a thread. 1. Don't bring my name up. 2. If you do, don't make up lies about us.
My problem is the same as anyone's on this forum would be. If someone calls you out and makes up blatent lies about you and the posts them, you would defend yourself. I think anyone here would. The difference is that many people here who dislike me feel that I should sit by idle while people are lying and slandering me, rather than correcting them.
In this thread, I didn't say a word about OTT, no one from ZZP did.
OTT actually got into this thread, lied about ZZP and when we pointed it out, customer such as you, bash ZZP as if we're starting crap. Look at which company posted first and what they said. I said nothing about OTT, except that they are making up lies about ZZP. Since you like them over us, you ignore the evidence, posts and facts and simple back them while bashing us. I understand, but I won't sit by idle and let people lie about ZZP.
In terms of who is offering better products? That's an opinion. I just know that ZZP is running the fastest times, making the most HP, and setting all the records. Some people mod to make friends, some mod to make their cars faster. It's your choice.
In this thread, I didn't say a word about OTT, no one from ZZP did.
OTT actually got into this thread, lied about ZZP and when we pointed it out, customer such as you, bash ZZP as if we're starting crap. Look at which company posted first and what they said. I said nothing about OTT, except that they are making up lies about ZZP. Since you like them over us, you ignore the evidence, posts and facts and simple back them while bashing us. I understand, but I won't sit by idle and let people lie about ZZP.
In terms of who is offering better products? That's an opinion. I just know that ZZP is running the fastest times, making the most HP, and setting all the records. Some people mod to make friends, some mod to make their cars faster. It's your choice.
anyone can make big numbers with the properly adjusted dyno calibration. its a joke and your never wrong man, your always flipping words so ZZP is the victim. screw that, your customers are the victims. if i wanted inflated numbers and crappy tunes, id bring my car to you. Some people like cars that run and good parts, your right that choice is mine, hence why i wont ever touch one of your products. and no one else should.
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06-08-2009 | 03:38 PM
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My problem is the same as anyone's on this forum would be. If someone calls you out and makes up blatent lies about you and the posts them, you would defend yourself. I think anyone here would. The difference is that many people here who dislike me feel that I should sit by idle while people are lying and slandering me, rather than correcting them.
In this thread, I didn't say a word about OTT, no one from ZZP did.
OTT actually got into this thread, lied about ZZP and when we pointed it out, customer such as you, bash ZZP as if we're starting crap. Look at which company posted first and what they said. I said nothing about OTT, except that they are making up lies about ZZP. Since you like them over us, you ignore the evidence, posts and facts and simple back them while bashing us. I understand, but I won't sit by idle and let people lie about ZZP.
In terms of who is offering better products? That's an opinion. I just know that ZZP is running the fastest times, making the most HP, and setting all the records. Some people mod to make friends, some mod to make their cars faster. It's your choice.
In this thread, I didn't say a word about OTT, no one from ZZP did.
OTT actually got into this thread, lied about ZZP and when we pointed it out, customer such as you, bash ZZP as if we're starting crap. Look at which company posted first and what they said. I said nothing about OTT, except that they are making up lies about ZZP. Since you like them over us, you ignore the evidence, posts and facts and simple back them while bashing us. I understand, but I won't sit by idle and let people lie about ZZP.
In terms of who is offering better products? That's an opinion. I just know that ZZP is running the fastest times, making the most HP, and setting all the records. Some people mod to make friends, some mod to make their cars faster. It's your choice.
06-08-2009 | 03:41 PM
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Wow! Did this get off track or what? 
Return fuel setup will make tuning easier, but is not needed for safety reasons. Pressure is even across the rail and depending on what power levels you are at, you're perfectly fine w/ SD 60's or the 79's...
Return fuel setup will make tuning easier, but is not needed for safety reasons. Pressure is even across the rail and depending on what power levels you are at, you're perfectly fine w/ SD 60's or the 79's...
06-08-2009 | 03:43 PM
#47
Customer's original statement (lie)
Matt then refutes the lie here:
OTT then debates Matt and reiterates customers lie by using a thread where ZZP says Methanol can create more power (just as Matt stated) but OTT lies about what the statements from me say here:
My statement from that thread "they not only don't add HP, they take it away (when using anything but nearly pure alcohol)"
They did pull a thread, they did cite a post but they lied about what it implied as did the OP. I have repeatedly stated the EXACT same thing. My position has not changed, nor have the facts. The only thing that has changed is that there is now more evidence on the board backing up my statements. Water will make the car lose HP, alcohol will make the car gain HP and a combo of the 2 will have a mid point with zero gains depending on mixture. In the thread cited by OTT I said 'nearly pure alcohol', we are now talking about 90% methanol 10% water, exactly as I stated.
The $1000 challenge still remains, the facts still remain. Nothing ZZP has been posting has been changing or proven wrong.
Now there are plenty of people lying about what we said. Changing words such as the lie above by short stack but the position hasn't change. This is called a straw man arguement and it runs rampant here. When you cannot prove your opponent wrong, you just change what he said and prove your new changed statement and declare victory.
In the above short stack is lying. He's quoting me, saying that I claimed something about meth injection. I did not. Ever. The above is not my quote and my saying it is, shorstack is lying. The statement I made about meth was that it makes 5% more power than gasoline and people here often confuse it with water. And I'm sure that quote will be taken out of context, edited, changed, misconstrude and used to bash me again once people start making up more lies...
Seeing as how our first build with a twin charged schooled every doubter and smashed the forums HP record, I'll take that as a victory (again)
Matt then refutes the lie here:
Now there are plenty of people lying about what we said. Changing words such as the lie above by short stack but the position hasn't change. This is called a straw man arguement and it runs rampant here. When you cannot prove your opponent wrong, you just change what he said and prove your new changed statement and declare victory.
In the above short stack is lying. He's quoting me, saying that I claimed something about meth injection. I did not. Ever. The above is not my quote and my saying it is, shorstack is lying. The statement I made about meth was that it makes 5% more power than gasoline and people here often confuse it with water. And I'm sure that quote will be taken out of context, edited, changed, misconstrude and used to bash me again once people start making up more lies...
Seeing as how our first build with a twin charged schooled every doubter and smashed the forums HP record, I'll take that as a victory (again)
06-08-2009 | 03:55 PM
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Funny how the one in ohio turned out as well...... I hear that it was admitted to a mechanical failure to blame for the 30+psi problem, yet the public wouldn't know that would they? Maybe after jbp goes out of bussiness you can join them. Hell you knowledge and there cool cams it may go somewhere
06-08-2009 | 03:57 PM
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From: Edson, Ab
**** Zooomer You Are Contaminating My Thread Once Again. When Will You Ever Learn To Stfu Dude. Lay Off The Roids You Roid Raging F-king Fool. You Guys Are Digging Your F-ing Grave Deeper And Deeper With Every Time You Post On This Site. Go Right Ahead And Keep On Running Your Damn Mouth. Companies Like Ottp Will Continue To Succeed And Zzp Will Continue To Fail And Drop Off The Map Because Of All This Bullshit You Pull. When You Guys Are Finally Under The Bus You Only Have Yourselves To Blaim. Dont You Understand What Members Think Of You Now????? Just Look At The Responses Here And Think About What People Say About You And Its Basically Because You Cant Shut Your Damn Mouth!!