Originally Posted by bigrroberto

Mud slinging... This is bad for me, the users on the site, and both companies.

Originally Posted by Zooomer

Customer's original statement (lie)


Matt then refutes the lie here:



OTT then debates Matt and reiterates customers lie by using a thread where ZZP says Methanol can create more power (just as Matt stated) but OTT lies about what the statements from me say here:


My statement from that thread "they not only don't add HP, they take it away (when using anything but nearly pure alcohol)"



They did pull a thread, they did cite a post but they lied about what it implied as did the OP. I have repeatedly stated the EXACT same thing. My position has not changed, nor have the facts. The only thing that has changed is that there is now more evidence on the board backing up my statements. Water will make the car lose HP, alcohol will make the car gain HP and a combo of the 2 will have a mid point with zero gains depending on mixture. In the thread cited by OTT I said 'nearly pure alcohol', we are now talking about 90% methanol 10% water, exactly as I stated.


The $1000 challenge still remains, the facts still remain. Nothing ZZP has been posting has been changing or proven wrong.

Now there are plenty of people lying about what we said. Changing words such as the lie above by short stack but the position hasn't change. This is called a straw man arguement and it runs rampant here. When you cannot prove your opponent wrong, you just change what he said and prove your new changed statement and declare victory.

In the above short stack is lying. He's quoting me, saying that I claimed something about meth injection. I did not. Ever. The above is not my quote and my saying it is, shorstack is lying. The statement I made about meth was that it makes 5% more power than gasoline and people here often confuse it with water. And I'm sure that quote will be taken out of context, edited, changed, misconstrude and used to bash me again once people start making up more lies...


Seeing as how our first build with a twin charged schooled every doubter and smashed the forums HP record, I'll take that as a victory (again)

Originally Posted by Zooomer

The $1000 challenge still remains, the facts still remain.

Originally Posted by Zooomer

In the above short stack is lying. He's quoting me, saying that I claimed something about meth injection. I did not.

Originally Posted by ShortStack

So what was up with the "Bring your car to our dyno. If we can make more power without using meth injection, then you pay for your dyno time. If we dont, then its free." thread?

Originally Posted by ShortStack

Heres a good one....



You just admitted to having a $1000 challenge.



So, you said i was lying about something.. but at first admitted that it was there? weird.



How is this in ANY way "quoting" something you said?

Originally Posted by victoryss

I hear that it was admitted to a mechanical failure to blame for the 30+psi problem, yet the public wouldn't know that would they?

Originally Posted by ShortStack

Heres a good one....



You just admitted to having a $1000 challenge.



So, you said i was lying about something.. but at first admitted that it was there? weird.



How is this in ANY way "quoting" something you said?

Originally Posted by Matt M

That's another blatant lie. They blamed the boost regulators and bought new ones which did not cure his problem. The real issue is that the car left our shop and was promptly modified by another shop with poor results. We clearly stated before the build that the open wastegate dump would be loud. When the customer picked up the car, boost control was flawless. He decided that he wanted the car quieter and went to a different shop for turbo kit modifications. After the wastegate system was altered by that shop and random people started altering the tune, the boost control never worked correctly again. Now, a few months later, I'm here reading that there was some sort of admittance of mechanical failure. It's ridiculous, to say the least.



You quoted Zoom in an attempt to make it appear that he said METH does not work. Please try to comprehend what he is actually saying. Meth works great. The more water you add to it, the worse it works. As you add wore water to the meth/water mix, at some point, your potential for HP will decrease. Washer fluid is far below the level of meth required for HP gains.

Originally Posted by Darkmanx

so you guys twincharged 2 cobalts and both of them are dead? wheter it be your fault or not.

Originally Posted by Darkmanx

so you guys twincharged 2 cobalts and both of them are dead? wheter it be your fault or not.

Originally Posted by Matt M

Where do you come up with this stuff? Do you just make it up? It's pretty far from the truth on multiple levels.