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02-20-2007, 06:49 PM
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02-20-2007, 07:21 PM
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I really hope he gets on here tonight and let's us know what's up. There are quite a few of us that have some of the parts that he does so it would be nice to know what isn't working out the way it's supposed to work...
02-20-2007, 08:35 PM
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I just spoke to him and a few that were there but I'll let Eddie tell you all what happened. What I CAN tell you is that his car made #'s comparable to a SS/SC with and intake. Look at who makes most of the mods on his car and you'll have your answer.
02-20-2007, 08:50 PM
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Well he has dyno charts showing that he gained 13 whp from the cams. Those dyno charts showed numbers that were comparable to an SS/SC with an intake. I don't see how he could go backwards from there. Does anybody know if he will be logging on tonight?
02-20-2007, 10:00 PM
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I doubt he'll be on tonight. 13 whp with cams and got the same #'s as a stock car with an intake.....think about that. The downpipe blew up on him, the header didn't even remotely come close to fitting, the cams don't like boost, the motor sounds hurt with the cams and 2.7, and the tune was attempted by TAG. After all that the car does not perform anywhere near the way it should or as claimed by the supplying parts company. How in God's name does a company sell cams and run it in a customer's vehicle for a year without ever tuning the vehicle? Don't even get me started on the valve springs that popped. I know Eddie personally and it pisses me off to see his car like this after he put so much $$$ and effort on his car. Sorry Eddie, only looking out for you man!
02-21-2007, 01:48 AM
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People are holding back because they dont feel it is there place to speak... Player 1 needs post up and be honest with us to save others from going down the same road
02-21-2007, 08:24 AM
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I wonder if JBP made any changes to the cams they released to the rest of us compared to the set Player_1 has in his car. I know he's dissappointed, but some of us are relying on him for information. I mean, I'm driving down to Jersey this weekend to spend $350 to get these cams tuned with 60's and a smaller pulley. If I shouldn't be doing this, then it would be right of him to come on here and let us know. I know DTM has his car in the shop right now getting the cams installed. He would also like to know if he should yank them out before they button everything up. At least he still has his cores! I already sent mine out to Colt to get my core charge back.
02-21-2007, 09:55 AM
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put it this way, tag used pretty much the same tune they used for me.
the differences are i have the zzp 2.7 hes got billet flow.
hes got jbp cat back, i have the gmpp sport and honed exaust manifold with C/A dp.
hes got the valve train built, im stock
hes got jbp cams i dont...
we overlapped one his best runs with one of my lowest when i was getting tuned.
through out the whole power band im on top and it gets very ugly in the upper rpms...
ed has everything installed that is needed to run the cams the way it should be..., so you guys tell me what else can it be...
when the boost was played with and he was boosting he hit 17 psi and still was in the range of power of a stock cobalt ss.....
hes my buddy and spent a good amount of coin and belive me hes very frustrated, hopefully he can chime in, like ninja said we are lookin out for him and its not right if everyone else gets screwed.
the whole hinding the specs of the cams should be the first thing to detur customers IMO.
the differences are i have the zzp 2.7 hes got billet flow.
hes got jbp cat back, i have the gmpp sport and honed exaust manifold with C/A dp.
hes got the valve train built, im stock
hes got jbp cams i dont...
we overlapped one his best runs with one of my lowest when i was getting tuned.
through out the whole power band im on top and it gets very ugly in the upper rpms...
ed has everything installed that is needed to run the cams the way it should be..., so you guys tell me what else can it be...
when the boost was played with and he was boosting he hit 17 psi and still was in the range of power of a stock cobalt ss.....
hes my buddy and spent a good amount of coin and belive me hes very frustrated, hopefully he can chime in, like ninja said we are lookin out for him and its not right if everyone else gets screwed.
the whole hinding the specs of the cams should be the first thing to detur customers IMO.
02-21-2007, 10:36 AM
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JBP is a crook and no one should ever buy parts from Mev. Those cams are probably a set of general cams that came right out of a box. Eddie is a great guy, and its unfortunate that someone took advantage of his good nature and his love for wanting to create a fast car. I hope that others realize not to do business with JBP and that for those who have, things work out for them in the end.
02-21-2007, 11:06 AM
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Sorry I'm late in replying guy's, Been vary busy with other stuff far more important then my car as some of you guy's already know.
well yesterday I was at JBP discussing my issues.
-and he refunded me the money for the flex pipe issue that fu#ked the the cat (no questions asked, it was Zorro that **** up not him so he's going to go to them for that)
-the header should fit with some work, he should me on his car quickly because he doesn't have his exhauts in.
-as for the Cams'
well I'm not sure. my car did not make the power it sould have. and I'm still having top end issues, not as bad as before, but we did stop tuning because we werent see results, so it's not finished tuning.
basically what happening is after 6K RPM, it stops building boost.
unsure if it's the cams, or if it's my car.
as someone above mensioned I broke a total of 4 dual coil valve springs (which is why I've always told people not to by Bates Valve spring and get the Ferreas.
when the valve spring broke, one of my valves seized in the guide and bent, I had everything replaced with the Ferrea components after that, and after a week of both Mev and I yelling on the phone I got a complete refund from bates which is what paid for the Ferreas components.
basically I'm waiting for a set of stock cores, so I can get tuned and see what happens.
if the cam's were the issue, then they'll get re-designed to fix the problem if it's something else if it still doesn't produce power, then I'll have to pull part the block and check my #3 piston which is where I had the bend valve. (we looked at it, looked ok and all the compression tests were good.
so I either have to wait for the stock cores, or for someone else to get tuned with the cams
that will be the only way to tell for sure
sorry again guy for the delay, I'm not trying to hold out, just been emensly busy with other stuff more important then my car right now. ( I know it's hard to beleive ).
but right now my car is running ok and safe 12-11 right to 5500RPM, then it goes rich from there.
I'll keep you posted.
but please there is no need to bash anyone JBP is one supplier that will come clean and square off with you if they **** up, which is more then what some can say about others (Bates).
remember I was a tester for the cams, and from the stock dyno's you can see it made power, and lost on the top end, we thought it was just a need for tuning, we'll see once I get a set of stock cams and tune again, only then will I know for sure what's happening.
well yesterday I was at JBP discussing my issues.
-and he refunded me the money for the flex pipe issue that fu#ked the the cat (no questions asked, it was Zorro that **** up not him so he's going to go to them for that)
-the header should fit with some work, he should me on his car quickly because he doesn't have his exhauts in.
-as for the Cams'
well I'm not sure. my car did not make the power it sould have. and I'm still having top end issues, not as bad as before, but we did stop tuning because we werent see results, so it's not finished tuning.
basically what happening is after 6K RPM, it stops building boost.
unsure if it's the cams, or if it's my car.
as someone above mensioned I broke a total of 4 dual coil valve springs (which is why I've always told people not to by Bates Valve spring and get the Ferreas.
when the valve spring broke, one of my valves seized in the guide and bent, I had everything replaced with the Ferrea components after that, and after a week of both Mev and I yelling on the phone I got a complete refund from bates which is what paid for the Ferreas components.
basically I'm waiting for a set of stock cores, so I can get tuned and see what happens.
if the cam's were the issue, then they'll get re-designed to fix the problem if it's something else if it still doesn't produce power, then I'll have to pull part the block and check my #3 piston which is where I had the bend valve. (we looked at it, looked ok and all the compression tests were good.
so I either have to wait for the stock cores, or for someone else to get tuned with the cams
that will be the only way to tell for sure
sorry again guy for the delay, I'm not trying to hold out, just been emensly busy with other stuff more important then my car right now. ( I know it's hard to beleive ).
but right now my car is running ok and safe 12-11 right to 5500RPM, then it goes rich from there.
I'll keep you posted.
but please there is no need to bash anyone JBP is one supplier that will come clean and square off with you if they **** up, which is more then what some can say about others (Bates).
remember I was a tester for the cams, and from the stock dyno's you can see it made power, and lost on the top end, we thought it was just a need for tuning, we'll see once I get a set of stock cams and tune again, only then will I know for sure what's happening.
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02-21-2007, 12:33 PM
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Being as constructive here as I can, I would seriously consider shimming the lifters to bring them back into production lash specs. Also, I think lash caps can be used on the end of the valve stem to accomplish the same thing.
I was afraid when I saw people bashing those who were asking questions (mainly the redline forum guys) about how much the lifter was going to be stroked out further than stock, something like this would happen.
Good luck to you and I look forward to seeing your car make some nice numbers ASAP.
I was afraid when I saw people bashing those who were asking questions (mainly the redline forum guys) about how much the lifter was going to be stroked out further than stock, something like this would happen.
Good luck to you and I look forward to seeing your car make some nice numbers ASAP.