BravoPuma6

kinda sad that u gotta port the head to break into the 300's.... just my opinion. i had an srt4 before my LSJ so i guess im spoiled.....

chevysalesman614

please? i'm not suggesting a dyno with more timing and meth.. just a full exhaust, and take it to the redline (6500, or 7,000) whatever the test car is set to.

PuSha050

2.6" 100
HPT 600
60lb injectors 250
Header 300
DP 200
Exhaust 500
CAI 200
Race Ported head who knows... keeping stock components or upgrading cams and valve springs???? if you are ur lookin at well over 700.. but we will use 700 as an estimate

total=$2850 for an INEFFICIENT 300whp making a butt load of heat that isnt suited for driving daily

for a SAFE, EFFICIENT 300whp with more upgradeability, id spend $150 more and get the TS

BriantheLion26

Add cooling to that list there guys. Dual-pass (240 from CED), heat exhanger (100 for cobra, more for CA), meth possibly. Costs add up to get 300 whp out of the eaton and reliability goes through the roof.

BravoPuma6

very well put!

Onyxd04Redline

Considering that most guys have everything on that list already. Spending 3500 dollars for a TS is nuts. If you're stock then you should consider the TS but i highly suggest you take a hard look at a turbo kit instead.

Full race ported head in phoenix will run me anywhere from 800-1000 depending on the place. That it full port with new larger valves.

chevysalesman614

dont take this the wrong way bud, but i think they left those out cause you would want those for both setups, maybe not the meth on the t/s, but you could use it.

about how long does the avg. shop take to port a 4cyl head?

Onyxd04Redline

I was quoted a week to complete the head. Week and a half if i wanted them to install it.

EDIT - Someone asked me if i was going with a turbo kit. As of right now i just spent 4K on an evosport power package for my E55 so any mods for the IRL are currently on hold. It is getting it's LT header, downpipe and catback installed as we speak tho.

BriantheLion26

Ahh true didn't even think about that. Guess it would make sense to have the TS dual-pass huh.

PuSha050

i never said im buying a TS swap..i cant even afford another tranny mount

all i was proving is that it aint as cost prohibitive as you make it out to seem.

i feel that when you start pushing the TS with supporting mods and more boost then it will definately be worth it.

but you stilll havent addressed the fact that the m62 is horribly inefficient at the power you are trying to get out of it

i understand ur argument for a turbo kit..**** it would be my preference as well (mostly because i can make my own kit)... but even still the turbo swap only makes, what 320whp.. but we know that with more boost and supporting mods more power is to be had, i dont understand why u cant see its the same for this swap (maybe not as much), but still much more than the m62 and is a very viable option to people who want to go this route

different strokes for different folks<-uve got to understand and accept that statement

yellowcobaltss05

a ported head cost around 1250 w/ new vavle springs installed

PuSha050

i would never do that just to get to 300whp

Onyxd04Redline

Why?

PuSha050

it would be preferred, but rebel said this...

Iat's as i said are much lower than the eaton unit typical drop of 50degrees, that is the real news. The other good part is there is more left in the blower.

even without the dual pass, the TS is giving much lower air temps

like u have been saying.. not cost efficient..

Onyxd04Redline

It is to those who already have every major mod on there car and want more power.

chevysalesman614

i think i could hit 300whp on a mustang dyno with my 2.9 and a ported head.. but i'll never find out, cause i want a t/s AND a milled/ported head (at some point).. i would like to do the head first, but i dont think thats gonna happen, cause I'm gonna spring for this twinscrew as soon as it becomes available

Onyxd04Redline

Why would you want to mill the head? That will just increase compression and you'll blow your motor faster.

You want a TS? You better build the motor.

AlphaJaguar5

Wait for my dyno then...

PuSha050

every major mod would mean having an upgraded blower on their car

.. seriously, were just arguing back and forth... pointlessly

the TS a great upgrade for stock..

now for some1 who has all the upgrades like u describe, id like to see what an identically set up twinscrew car puts down .. then u can decide if its worth it

but to say that a stock car with just a TS blower swap making 280whp isnt worth it bc you can spend the same money ($3000) and make a little bit more power out of the m62, but have practically no room for growth, i dont think ur giving hte TS a fair shake...

lets not forget, if u mod like you say(2.6, full exhaust, etc) then decide to go turbo, some of those mods are a waste (new exhuast manifold and downpipe, etc)

Onyxd04Redline

How much more growth do you want in a FWD platform?

PuSha050

why are u laughing.. im guessing all those people runnings 11's and below in FWD think its pointless to have growth

u want my opinion.. i feel that u are very bright, but have a closed minded view on things, and cant accept that other peoples point of view mite be different than urs

chevysalesman614

true, but cooler is almost always better. it wouldnt hurt to run the dual pass and a 2nd h/e.

Onyxd04Redline

I'm not even getting into a FWD war. IMO you don't need more then 300whp in a FWD car. There's no point because you can't plant it to the ground.

As for the TS. You like it? Buy it. You want me to praise it? Keep dreaming.

BravoPuma6

my srt4 was able to put more then that on the ground.....

PuSha050

but of course