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Old 07-18-2007, 12:31 PM
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stock manifold, power restriction?

just doing some more deep thoughts. this one got triggered by a m62 eaton rsx owner.


"have you ever thought that maybe the stock intake manifold is the restriction? what would it do it if you gutted it, and put in a bar and plate style cooler?"


this just dawned on me, from the pictures i have seen of the intake manifold. why would this be a bad idea to kick around?


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Old 07-18-2007, 12:48 PM
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i was under the impression our heat exchanger acted as our intake manifold.. so not sure where your going with this..but i have never taken it off so i dunno what lies beneath
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Problem isn't our intake manifold. It's our small exhaust ports
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Originally Posted by Onyxd04Redline
Problem isn't our intake manifold. It's our small exhaust ports
whats valve sizes on our head?
Old 07-18-2007, 01:24 PM
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well trying to cram X amount of cfm through a hole that can only take X amount of cfm leads to a restriction.

the basis behind any internal combustion engine. the more air you can get in, and get air out at a better rate, or efficiency, the happier it is, and more can be made.

dunno, just kicking the idea around
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Originally Posted by Area47
well trying to cram X amount of cfm through a hole that can only take X amount of cfm leads to a restriction.

the basis behind any internal combustion engine. the more air you can get in, and get air out at a better rate, or efficiency, the happier it is, and more can be made.

dunno, just kicking the idea around
missin the point...
we do not have an intake.. our heat exchanger is our intake...
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ok, if the heat exchanger is our intake/acts like it, then is there any way of porting/polishing it to increase flow? Something can/has to be down with it.
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ok, if the heat exchanger is our intake/acts like it, then is there any way of porting/polishing it to increase flow? Something can/has to be down with it.
nope. not without gutting the intake.
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The supercharger is the limiting factor. Imagine the kind of numbers we'd put down with 200-300 more cfm.
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Originally Posted by Onyxd04Redline
The supercharger is the limiting factor. Imagine the kind of numbers we'd put down with 200-300 more cfm.
there is more to it then just the m62
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Originally Posted by Area47
there is more to it then just the m62
There's also the tiny exhaust and the the exhaust ports on the head. GM could have done a much better job.
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Originally Posted by Onyxd04Redline
There's also the tiny exhaust and the the exhaust ports on the head. GM could have done a much better job.
well true. we all know that. im just trying to narrow it down. the motor will only injest so much cfm before it becomes useless
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so, if you port and polish the blower, throttle body, intake and head we are in business? If so, that is going down in my to-do list.

along with a full 3 inch catless exhaust...
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Can't do much to the blower to add cfm but a nice race port of the head should increase power by 20-30 to the wheels.
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so what is the difference with a race port and a good port and polish job?
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Originally Posted by Onyxd04Redline
Can't do much to the blower to add cfm but a nice race port of the head should increase power by 20-30 to the wheels.
spending 1500 bucks for 30 hp is moot.
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Originally Posted by Area47
spending 1500 bucks for 30 hp is moot.
I was quoted 800 from a local race shop.
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Originally Posted by Onyxd04Redline
I was quoted 800 from a local race shop.
but still, you have to draw the line somewhere!


i drew my line at 270 whp
i went over this. then i backed it off to "civil mode"
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I have made many friends at mine and it will only be 150 bucks for me.
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Originally Posted by Area47
but still, you have to draw the line somewhere!


i drew my line at 270 whp
i went over this. then i backed it off to "civil mode"

I'd like 250whp.. At stock boost
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lol

Originally Posted by Onyxd04Redline
I'd like 250whp.. At stock boost


yeah....I drew my line at 500whp.... long ass road, but one day, it will be there, don't you worry.
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I imagine i could squeeze out 240-245 with header/dp/catback and TM removed.
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yeah, with just bolt ons these cars seem to react VERY well. I am totally satisfied with my little monster. Those that lose to me aren't. lol
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Originally Posted by Onyxd04Redline
I'd like 250whp.. At stock boost
250 is easy.
it's making it reliable. thats the hard part
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Originally Posted by Area47
250 is easy.
it's making it reliable. thats the hard part
Easiest way would probably be the basic bolt ons and then having someone make a race gas tune for you that you could switch by swapping your ecu or something like that. I'm basing this off of the people on this site who report a great response to timing on these cars, and with the race gas you could get away with some good timing.

IMO moderation is key with these cars due to the large amount of heat from the M62 and various other weaknesses. So I think the most reliable way to make good power is a mod that only makes the power temporarily when you choose, such as nitrous although I think a race gas tune would be more safe than nitrous but it all depends on the tune. If you're just trying to pick up a nice gain for making some passes at the track and save as much money as possible then a temporary power adder is good.

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