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Old 11-22-2008, 12:20 PM
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thats great gains all over the place
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I know this is the LSJ section but I can't get a strait answer out of anyone in the LNF section, but does anyone know if the LNF tb and the LSJ tb are the same?
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Originally Posted by ralliartist
Down low (3350rpm) we produced 11WTQ and 7WHP
Mid range (4000rpm) we produced 8WTQ and 6WHP
Top end (6000rpm) we produced 12WTQ and 14WHP


that was rebel's gains.
Nice!.. It was a gain that I *actually* noticed... And I have a very insensitive butt dyno...
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Originally Posted by RBC
I know this is the LSJ section but I can't get a strait answer out of anyone in the LNF section, but does anyone know if the LNF tb and the LSJ tb are the same?
I have no idea. Some one that has a LSJ and has a LNF buddy or vise versa could take a look and measure them.

BTW, you won't see a gain like we do on a turbo car. Your charge piping will act differently that a blower sucking air in.

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Originally Posted by ralliartist
Down low (3350rpm) we produced 11WTQ and 7WHP
Mid range (4000rpm) we produced 8WTQ and 6WHP
Top end (6000rpm) we produced 12WTQ and 14WHP


that was rebel's gains.
just askin' ; why would you believe a vendor that makes outrageous claims all the time?
Old 11-22-2008, 08:19 PM
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I dunno, hard to deny dyno proof. I think they have problems with customer service and actually going 100% complete on a custom project. But dynoing stuff is easy.
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Originally Posted by ralliartist
I dunno, hard to deny dyno proof. I think they have problems with customer service and actually going 100% complete on a custom project. But dynoing stuff is easy.
no doubt but like you say we arent racing dynos
Old 11-22-2008, 08:27 PM
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true statement. I already told you I'm going to be doing my own dyno testing. I'm also going to have both throttle bodies to swap out and test at the track at the beginning of next season.
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Originally Posted by ralliartist
true statement. I already told you I'm going to be doing my own dyno testing. I'm also going to have both throttle bodies to swap out and test at the track at the beginning of next season.
awesome good test to look forward to....
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Originally Posted by ralliartist
I have no idea. Some one that has a LSJ and has a LNF buddy or vise versa could take a look and measure them.

BTW, you won't see a gain like we do on a turbo car. Your charge piping will act differently that a blower sucking air in.
Well, it will benefit due to having a bigger whole to cram **** in, how much I don't know. My main wonder is if they are the same size or one is bigger than the other. We had pretty decent gains when upgrading TB's on the older turbo dodges. Well worth the money.
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Originally Posted by RBC
Well, it will benefit due to having a bigger whole to cram **** in, how much I don't know. My main wonder is if they are the same size or one is bigger than the other. We had pretty decent gains when upgrading TB's on the older turbo dodges. Well worth the money.
you had a turbo dodge, haha you dont find many people who had them. i swapped out the original tb on mine for the 3.0 mini van one, noticed a gain but nothing huge, it was well worth it
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you had a turbo dodge, haha you dont find many people who had them. i swapped out the original tb on mine for the 3.0 mini van one, noticed a gain but nothing huge, it was well worth it
The car wasn't mine, it was my roommates and we did tons of work on them and neons. It was a Shelby CSX and that damn thing was a fun little car. In the 1/8 it ran 8.40's on slicks and 14's on street tires No traction what so ever. The stock wheels and tires where so small that they would break loose on the high way in 5th gear. In the 1/4 it would run 13.2. Just a fun car all the way around.
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sounds like a good run for me!
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a friend and i went through 4 or 5 turbo dodge cars all kinds of stuf from fully built to just an open air filter and a grainger valve. great cars.
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Originally Posted by ralliartist
sounds like a good run for me!
Maybe, I think the car has had a popped motor for a few years now.

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a friend and i went through 4 or 5 turbo dodge cars all kinds of stuf from fully built to just an open air filter and a grainger valve. great cars.
We did allot of them aswell from omni's to daytona's. They are just so damn cheap to build. Including the car and mods it cost 3 grand. The internals were all stock and we had a T3/T4 turbo with upgraded piping and blow-off valve and multiple in house suspension mods. When the last motor popped he talked about building/stoking/boring a new one but nothing has come of it as far as I know(I moved away after college). I haven't talked to him in about 3 years. I need to see if I could get a hold of him and see whats up.
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up in new england its hard to find them not rusted all the way through. thats why i dont own one.
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Does the LS4 tb cause a CEL to come on if you're not tuned for it? where do you find them? lastly, Do they just bolt right up?

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I think it makes the car go into limp mode.
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Originally Posted by BLKblurr06
Does the LS4 tb cause a CEL to come on if you're not tuned for it? where do you find them? lastly, Do they just bolt right up?
yes they do bolt right up, but DO NOT just put it on there without tuning for it
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You CAN run the LS4 TB without tuning, but the car will run like complete and total ****. It will idle at about 2200RPMs and will be soo weird and touchy that it is hard to drive. Also it will try and stall. I drove mine for about 2 days before I was able to get tuned. Soo in essense it can be driven with it on, but it DOES NEED a tune.

And NO it does not just "bolt up". The TB blade is much bigger and will not clear the blower inlet causing it hang up and not open. You either need to port the hell out of the inlet of the blower to clearance it, or buy a TB spacer that will clear the TB blade. The spacer will likely need to be clearanced to fit also. The best and cheapest thing to do it just to port the blower inlet, because if you don't, your newly made higher airflow will just get greatly restricted again as it hits the small SC opening... The LS4 TB will however bolt right up to the TVS, if you are soo fortunate to have one...

Read this thread... It tells you all about it... https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/how-guide-43/how-install-big-bore-throttle-body-cheap-78653/
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ralli is always on top of these tb threads
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Originally Posted by csementuh
You CAN run the LS4 TB without tuning, but the car will run like complete and total ****. It will idle at about 2200RPMs and will be soo weird and touchy that it is hard to drive. Also it will try and stall. I drove mine for about 2 days before I was able to get tuned. Soo in essense it can be driven with it on, but it DOES NEED a tune.

And NO it does not just "bolt up". The TB blade is much bigger and will not clear the blower inlet causing it hang up and not open. You either need to port the hell out of the inlet of the blower to clearance it, or buy a TB spacer that will clear the TB blade. The spacer will likely need to be clearanced to fit also. The best and cheapest thing to do it just to port the blower inlet, because if you don't, your newly made higher airflow will just get greatly restricted again as it hits the small SC opening... The LS4 TB will however bolt right up to the TVS, if you are soo fortunate to have one...

Read this thread... It tells you all about it... https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=78653


my bad, i forgot about this part. i have a tb spacer that i installed with it that i totally forgot i even had.

but yeah, it bolted right up (with the help of a spacer...)
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Originally Posted by chevysssc
ralli is always on top of these tb threads
it's getting too repetitive lately though. lol.
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Originally Posted by revolution607@yahoo.
i saw that but 3.5" is 89mm, thats a huge ass throttle body. that just didnt seem right to me when i read it thats why i asked.
3.5" is the outer diameter. It has a 3" inner diameter.
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Originally Posted by Bumpin Balt
3.5" is the outer diameter. It has a 3" inner diameter.
I was wondering that myself. Porting the SC inlet is most likely the best thing to do to not restrict flow. After all that'll be the only thing keeping the intake tract from being 3" on my car.


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