sunfirejoe

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i knwo its been discussed before, but no real good points are amde except a lot of flmaing, but sometimes flmaing is the best way to do it, so what im llokign at doing with out getting a compnay kti from like hahn, what would be neccessary,

has any one mapped it out before, has anyone done it

twn charged is nice, but the key to big power i belive is turbo on these motors, and i think i can get more for less, really,

so im looking at maybe a 55 trim t3/t4 hybrid turbo, custom turbo header of course, all oiling lines, external wastegate hopeful for 25 psi +, i am planning on beginning my swap this winter while its parked, im gonna gather parts and than swap, than i guess i have a lot fo tuning to do,


but yah has nayone priced it out or one up a parts list i think im gonna a list up tonight while at home


like im thinking ofcourse

turbo,
custom intake manifold,
intercooler,
custom header,
oil lines,
silicone connectors,
probably gonna need bigger than 60lbs an hour injectors,
maybe a slightly beefed up internals,
bigger throttle body,
new custom 3 inch turbo back exhaust,
i know theres more, i got a list from before on my sunfire i was building hmmmmm



why is work so long

NJHK

25 PSI on a T3/T4 is a stretch on a stock motor.

If you want more of a referrence of things to buy, read this:

How To: Build Your Own ECOTEC Turbo Kit

Where do you plan on buying your manifold from?

60 lb injectors??? That's huge bro.

First I would suggest taking it a step at a time and not trying to jump to some outrageous HP number.

Also, even if you were to get 60 lb injectors, you'd flood your motor in 10 seconds lol You need something like HP Tuners to adjust your duty cycle at idle and how much fuel you're spraying during driving. Look into something in the 40 lbs range but still get HP Tuners.

How much power are you really trying to make?

Also, if you're looking for an intake manifold, you could use a Stock J-body manifold or you could check out the Stock Saab alluminum manifolds (on the 2004+ Saab 9-3 2.0 Turbo).

Don't worry about the same throttle body and other accessories, just worry about getting what you NEED to run this setup, then work on breathing modifications later on, that's just my suggestion.

Remember, the less silicone connectors you use, the less likely it is for you to have an boost leak, so weld as many pipes as you can. Also, how do you plan on routing the piping?

sunfirejoe

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lol i have hptuners sitting at home so im step on that , and yah like i said im thiking possibly going to 25 psi, but im gonna start small like 12 psi and see how the motor likes it, it might make me lsower to begin well see, but yah, i hope to only use at the most about 10 silicone connectors, at 1st, due to fabbing i wanna prove it to work than ill worry about welding it all

NJHK

Ok Good on the HP Tuners.

As far as the connectors, make sure you get some good thick ones and some T-Bolt Clamps, that's all I can suggest as far as that goes.

watersedge1234

Turboing your car is going to be wicked expensive. Not sure what size T3/T4 you are looking at * "trim" really has very little to do with the capability of the turbo, after all, I have a 56 trim on my eclipse capable of 750 hp and my buddy has a 60 trim that is capable of 500...* but 25 psi is relatively high on stock internals. You are going to need new pistons for sure, and I would throw some new rods in the mix while you are at it. I would also do some portwork, intake manifold, and beef up the head if you want to really utilize the top end power of the turbo.

snvowles

How much is "wicked expensive?"

watersedge1234

I havent priced it out in Cobalt terms but to do it right you could easily put down 3-5k DIY and if you dont do your own work...I cant even imagine. Thats wicked expensive to *me* anyway. This is coming from an eclipse guy though...

Shortbus

for a custom kit its not going to be wicked axpensive, and you would be able to run 26psi on the motor.
-intake manifold
-turbo manifold
-down pipe
-injectors
-throttle body
-oil feedw/fittings
-oil return line w/fittings
-top oil pan for oil return
-bov
-wastegate
-intercooler
-charge pipes
-vacum lines
-boost controller
-tunning/maf
-couplers
-clamps

I plan on doing a custom kit with a sc61 turbo.

sunfirejoe

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yah im shopping for my turbo, i found a wicked ball bearing turbo mmmmmmmm percision GT30 liquid cooled ball bearing turbo

for 1350 cnd, i know that a big purchase for the turbo but i guess weel see, i got a lot of looking to do yet

Shortbus

I will hopefully be purchasing a sc61 ball bearing.

NJHK

26 PSI is alot bro...it's alot on any turbocharger. It's going to be even more of a power change with such a large turbocharger like a T3/T4.

Shortbus

Big power, big boost, 26 would be a rare thing, racing only.

NJHK

Ok, that's fine and all but you're still suggesting he does this on a STOCK motor. That's the point I was trying to make.

watersedge1234

I would not recommend running the 2 liter pistons with the sc61, you wont spool until almost 5 grand! That is the turbo I have on my eclipse, its a great turbo but only if you can run it past 7k...it does have a stage 5 wheel and isnt ball bearing though, but it still is really big *65 lb/min*. Not trying to be a jerk, just giving advise from my personal experiences with the turbo.

Are you keeping the stock pistons? Just curious, because from what Ive seen that is the only thing you really need to change in order to make over 300.

That turbo wouldnt allow you to run 26 lbs daily anyways, youd need race gas. Max I can run is about 21-22 daily with 13 degrees of advance.

NJHK

Yeah, that's not a helpful turbocharger to really use for this motor then.

Take it from someone who owns that size of a turbo ^^^

Pick a turbocharger that would work as far as supplying power throughout most of your powerband, not just a small part of it.

Shortbus

You guys dont relize many of my friends have this turbo, and if you can read, i said RACE PURPOSES ONLY, not daily 26psi. I have been researhcing my ass off, and talking to people with personal experince. If this turbo will not truly work, which i dont see why not, t3/t4 hybrid in about a 52trim, and may i ask why wont the turbo spool? Your only running 13degrees of advance on race gas!!!??

watersedge1234

The "50 trim" or even the "60 trim" models would be great improvements in spool and response for the 2.0 application. The "56 trim" sc61 is one of the largest turbos that precision makes and is considered as "full race". The turbo doesnt get into its efficiency range until 25 or 26 lbs all the way up to around 30 something, below that it logarithmically loses power. The turbo doesnt even stay spooled between shifts at the track unless I use no lift to shift and antilag...

watersedge1234

No that is 13 degrees on pump 93.

Shortbus

I see.

watersedge1234

You do realize that this turbo is larger than a "60 trim" right? I mean you can do whatever you want, im just giving you my 2 cents on my experiences. Im not trying to change your mind or be a jerk, just letting you know. Its your thing, if you like lag then do it.

NJHK

I never said the turbo won't spool.

I'm saying that 26 PSI on a size turbo like that is too much for the bottom end to handle. Even if it's for "race purposes". It only takes 1 time, remember that.

Shortbus

I do know that. I actually love lag. You can give your 2cents much appreciated.

sunfirejoe

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lol, yah im still looking but im looking at te 50 trim version i dont wanna go craZY CRAZY but well see

watersedge1234

Yeah, GT30 bb is a killer turbo...

sunfirejoe

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yah mroe and more i look i want it lol, somethign about ti that makes me giggles inside