tvs setup questions
10-30-2010, 05:46 PM
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would the zzp stage 3 h/e be good enough to run in my car if its puttin down those types of numbers?
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im wanting to make big power. ive been looking into getting a tvs supercharger. my questions are what other supporting mods are 100% needed? i know id need a header, dp, exhaust, bigger tb and of course a tune. but what else would i need? tvs guys please chime in. any info would be greatly appreciated. thanks!
A TVS was cool in 2007/2008 when Turbo Cobalts were brand new and everyone was sick of the M62.
If you do decide to go with a TVS you need a heat exchanger and the dual pass intercooler, as well as a great tune.
id like to make 400 hp but when it comes down to it, its gonna take way to much money to get it to that point. id like to make somewhere in between 350-400 hp without blowin up my car! would the zzp stage 3 h/e be good enough to run in my car if its puttin down those types of numbers?
would the zzp stage 3 h/e be good enough to run in my car if its puttin down those types of numbers?Last edited by Spins All Day; 10-30-2010 at 05:57 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
10-30-2010, 06:07 PM
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Save your money and buy a turbo kit or put the money down on a Turbo Cobalt.
A TVS was cool in 2007/2008 when Turbo Cobalts were brand new and everyone was sick of the M62.
If you do decide to go with a TVS you need a heat exchanger and the dual pass intercooler, as well as a great tune.
400 HP with a TVS, lol the only way you will make 400 WHP on that LSJ is with a Forged motor cams a ported head and a GT30R (which is a turbo)
A TVS was cool in 2007/2008 when Turbo Cobalts were brand new and everyone was sick of the M62.
If you do decide to go with a TVS you need a heat exchanger and the dual pass intercooler, as well as a great tune.
400 HP with a TVS, lol the only way you will make 400 WHP on that LSJ is with a Forged motor cams a ported head and a GT30R (which is a turbo)
10-30-2010, 06:09 PM
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Save your money and buy a turbo kit or put the money down on a Turbo Cobalt.
A TVS was cool in 2007/2008 when Turbo Cobalts were brand new and everyone was sick of the M62.
If you do decide to go with a TVS you need a heat exchanger and the dual pass intercooler, as well as a great tune.
400 HP with a TVS, lol the only way you will make 400 WHP on that LSJ is with a Forged motor cams a ported head and a GT30R (which is a turbo)
A TVS was cool in 2007/2008 when Turbo Cobalts were brand new and everyone was sick of the M62.
If you do decide to go with a TVS you need a heat exchanger and the dual pass intercooler, as well as a great tune.
400 HP with a TVS, lol the only way you will make 400 WHP on that LSJ is with a Forged motor cams a ported head and a GT30R (which is a turbo)
because we made power.
you can do 400whp on a stock short block lsj and the tvs. it is far from easy, but can be done. a cam swap on my old car would have done it.
10-31-2010, 07:11 AM
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how much would it cost to go turbo? im new to the world of forced induction so you can understand why i may have so many questions! as far as what ive seen, going turbo would cost me so much more then to go with a tvs. please correct me if im wrong. dont get me wrong, id love to go turbo because ive heard of power potential with turbo setups but they're just do expensive.
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If you plan on actually racing the car at a track and not be a Fast/Furious street racer like 99% of the kids on here... You will appreciate the TVS more.
Unless you really want to have that high peak number from a random spike on a dyno that you will never see again.
Unless you really want to have that high peak number from a random spike on a dyno that you will never see again.
10-31-2010, 08:53 AM
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Turbolag actually benefits this car it helps get traction a turbo would cost u 1500-4000 depend on your setup. Tvs gonna be more to maximize the benefits
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im wanting to make big power. ive been looking into getting a tvs supercharger. my questions are what other supporting mods are 100% needed? i know id need a header, dp, exhaust, bigger tb and of course a tune. but what else would i need? tvs guys please chime in. any info would be greatly appreciated. thanks!
10-31-2010, 10:19 AM
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After having both the TVS and a Turbo I would say go turbo. I have a billet 5857 turbo it spools to 18psi by 3500. There is no turbo lag it gets up and moves. I dynoed 360hp 317tq with very low compression in cly 4. Turbo kit you are looking between 2500 - 4000$ on zzps kit you can make between 350-500hp depending on what setup you go with. Basically you can do get 400hp with a turbo kit for about the same or less money and have a safer setup.
Random spike no. Go look at my dyno numbers for 360 or any of my ten dyno pulls I did. Power was tuned to keep a nice hp and tq curve. The tvs is also going to generate more heat and cause more problems. I was running 145 degrees with e85 after one pull in 4th gear. I did 5 dyno pulls in 4th gear and the highest my temps got was 115.
Random spike no. Go look at my dyno numbers for 360 or any of my ten dyno pulls I did. Power was tuned to keep a nice hp and tq curve. The tvs is also going to generate more heat and cause more problems. I was running 145 degrees with e85 after one pull in 4th gear. I did 5 dyno pulls in 4th gear and the highest my temps got was 115.
10-31-2010, 11:41 AM
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I want to see proof of comparable whp turbo car vs tvs car and see who makes the better times at the track. personally I don't rely on the little number on the computer to tell me how fast my car is... sweet you put down 400 with your turbo... why are you still in the 13s? lol I guess my point is I would rather be faster any day than have the dyno tell me I peaked at a higher number.
10-31-2010, 11:45 AM
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how to build a 400whp tvs lsj.
i did 380whp on mine {yes darky, 380}
3inch intake
tvs
2.6 pulley
80, or 98lb injectors
return system
255 fuel pump
surge tank
bosch 044 pump
SC specific cams
supertech 78lb valve spring kit
ported head, intake and exhaust side
neutral balance shafts
1 3/4 or larger primary header with a 3inch collector. burns stainless or equivalent
3 inch exhaust
3 in down pipe
bad ass tune
e85, or 110 octane fuel
a good heat exchanger. griffen core.
for added measure to hit it. 10.0:1 - 10.5:1 C/R.
you might be able to do it on stock compression
i did 380whp on mine {yes darky, 380}
3inch intake
tvs
2.6 pulley
80, or 98lb injectors
return system
255 fuel pump
surge tank
bosch 044 pump
SC specific cams
supertech 78lb valve spring kit
ported head, intake and exhaust side
neutral balance shafts
1 3/4 or larger primary header with a 3inch collector. burns stainless or equivalent
3 inch exhaust
3 in down pipe
bad ass tune
e85, or 110 octane fuel
a good heat exchanger. griffen core.
for added measure to hit it. 10.0:1 - 10.5:1 C/R.
you might be able to do it on stock compression
10-31-2010, 01:12 PM
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After having both the TVS and a Turbo I would say go turbo. I have a billet 5857 turbo it spools to 18psi by 3500. There is no turbo lag it gets up and moves. I dynoed 360hp 317tq with very low compression in cly 4. Turbo kit you are looking between 2500 - 4000$ on zzps kit you can make between 350-500hp depending on what setup you go with. Basically you can do get 400hp with a turbo kit for about the same or less money and have a safer setup.
Random spike no. Go look at my dyno numbers for 360 or any of my ten dyno pulls I did. Power was tuned to keep a nice hp and tq curve. The tvs is also going to generate more heat and cause more problems. I was running 145 degrees with e85 after one pull in 4th gear. I did 5 dyno pulls in 4th gear and the highest my temps got was 115.
Random spike no. Go look at my dyno numbers for 360 or any of my ten dyno pulls I did. Power was tuned to keep a nice hp and tq curve. The tvs is also going to generate more heat and cause more problems. I was running 145 degrees with e85 after one pull in 4th gear. I did 5 dyno pulls in 4th gear and the highest my temps got was 115.
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I want to see proof of comparable whp turbo car vs tvs car and see who makes the better times at the track. personally I don't rely on the little number on the computer to tell me how fast my car is... sweet you put down 400 with your turbo... why are you still in the 13s? lol I guess my point is I would rather be faster any day than have the dyno tell me I peaked at a higher number.
Nothing like seeing 400+ turbo cars run 13s and my little 320 machine running low 12s.
All people care about with these cars are peak numbers on a computer monitor.
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isn't zzp's car turned down to 500 something and running 10's? and that thing has a monster turbo on it, no telling where it even spools at. so 400whp runs slower than your car, but 500whp runs 2 seconds faster? IT'S THE SETUP ON THE CAR and not some magical supercharger powerband
hell, i make over 200wtq at 2500rpm with a turbo and that's what gets the car moving
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I should of worded my statment better. A properly setup Turbo car could and should do better at track. Such as ZZP.
Was trying to poke fun at the big turbo children that dyno their car in 5th and only do 80mph rolls.
I guess I am the only one that finds it funny the only turbo swap LSJ on forum that actually runs what their power dictates is a shop car. Yet they all claim how much faster their snail is than any blower car.
Was trying to poke fun at the big turbo children that dyno their car in 5th and only do 80mph rolls.
I guess I am the only one that finds it funny the only turbo swap LSJ on forum that actually runs what their power dictates is a shop car. Yet they all claim how much faster their snail is than any blower car.
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I should of worded my statment better. A properly setup Turbo car could and should do better at track. Such as ZZP.
Was trying to poke fun at the big turbo children that dyno their car in 5th and only do 80mph rolls.
I guess I am the only one that finds it funny the only turbo swap LSJ on forum that actually runs what their power dictates is a shop car. Yet they all claim how much faster their snail is than any blower car.
Was trying to poke fun at the big turbo children that dyno their car in 5th and only do 80mph rolls.
I guess I am the only one that finds it funny the only turbo swap LSJ on forum that actually runs what their power dictates is a shop car. Yet they all claim how much faster their snail is than any blower car.
that's on a completely stock block and head