tvs setup questions
10-31-2010, 04:43 PM
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10-31-2010, 05:31 PM
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where can i buy a turbo setup? are they sold as kits for lsj applications? like i previously stated, im new to the forced induction world so i dont know where i can buy a turbo kit from. or do i have to piece it together myself?
10-31-2010, 05:44 PM
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ZZP makes good stuff, can't go wrong. Not sure if Treadstone makes any kits for the LSJ yet.
To the OP, what do you plan on doing with the car? Drag, AutoX, Track? Just a dyno queen?
To the OP, what do you plan on doing with the car? Drag, AutoX, Track? Just a dyno queen?
10-31-2010, 05:49 PM
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10-31-2010, 07:09 PM
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I should of worded my statment better. A properly setup Turbo car could and should do better at track. Such as ZZP.
Was trying to poke fun at the big turbo children that dyno their car in 5th and only do 80mph rolls.
I guess I am the only one that finds it funny the only turbo swap LSJ on forum that actually runs what their power dictates is a shop car. Yet they all claim how much faster their snail is than any blower car.
Was trying to poke fun at the big turbo children that dyno their car in 5th and only do 80mph rolls.
I guess I am the only one that finds it funny the only turbo swap LSJ on forum that actually runs what their power dictates is a shop car. Yet they all claim how much faster their snail is than any blower car.
11-01-2010, 04:36 PM
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without seeing it, i am going to say it was because he had no traction. on street tires and lower boost at 330whp, i can't get traction until at least 60mph, and sometimes even third gear will spin completely off when it spools in cold weather.
fwd+torque = take off fail
fwd+torque = take off fail
11-01-2010, 04:52 PM
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11-01-2010, 05:03 PM
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Can you point out anyone with a 400hp turbo car and runs 13s? a 400hp turbo car will beat a 300hp tvs car any day. If you want good dyno numbers and track numbers get a turbo ether way you go you will still need traction if you have tvs or turbo you still need the supporting mods.
11-01-2010, 06:08 PM
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what negates any argument is the amount of us who went from m62 to tvs, and then immediately sold the tvs and went turbo. none of us seem to be downgrading from the turbo, so something must be good about them
11-01-2010, 06:15 PM
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the problem with that is, every turbo car is going to make alot more torque than any tvs car. so the 360 turbo may make 360 tq, and the 360 tvs would only make 300 tq.
what negates any argument is the amount of us who went from m62 to tvs, and then immediately sold the tvs and went turbo. none of us seem to be downgrading from the turbo, so something must be good about them
what negates any argument is the amount of us who went from m62 to tvs, and then immediately sold the tvs and went turbo. none of us seem to be downgrading from the turbo, so something must be good about them
this back and forth bs might as well stop because no body is going to convince the other that what they have is better..
11-01-2010, 07:00 PM
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sooooo what happened to the turbo car in the vid? haha everyone just loves to see that big number on the computer monitor plain and simple. how many tvs cars are there compared to turbo?
this back and forth bs might as well stop because no body is going to convince the other that what they have is better..
this back and forth bs might as well stop because no body is going to convince the other that what they have is better..
if the tvs was so fast, the majority of people running 12's and EVERYONE running 11's and faster would have a tvs, not a turbo. and that isn't concerning shop cars, there are people on here that have been since 2005-2006 running low 10's with 2.2's and definitely not with a blower
i'm not here to convince anyone, I have had the m62, tvs AND turbo all three on my personal car (not including 1 twinscrew and one other turbo setup years ago) and I am here to tell you that anyone arguing for a tvs over a proper turbo setup, is an idiot.
what exactly have you had on yours again?
11-01-2010, 07:22 PM
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there is no magic power band theory
if the tvs was so fast, the majority of people running 12's and EVERYONE running 11's and faster would have a tvs, not a turbo. and that isn't concerning shop cars, there are people on here that have been since 2005-2006 running low 10's with 2.2's and definitely not with a blower
i'm not here to convince anyone, I have had the m62, tvs AND turbo all three on my personal car (not including 1 twinscrew and one other turbo setup years ago) and I am here to tell you that anyone arguing for a tvs over a proper turbo setup, is an idiot.
what exactly have you had on yours again?
if the tvs was so fast, the majority of people running 12's and EVERYONE running 11's and faster would have a tvs, not a turbo. and that isn't concerning shop cars, there are people on here that have been since 2005-2006 running low 10's with 2.2's and definitely not with a blower
i'm not here to convince anyone, I have had the m62, tvs AND turbo all three on my personal car (not including 1 twinscrew and one other turbo setup years ago) and I am here to tell you that anyone arguing for a tvs over a proper turbo setup, is an idiot.
what exactly have you had on yours again?
11-01-2010, 07:28 PM
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there is no magic power band theory
if the tvs was so fast, the majority of people running 12's and EVERYONE running 11's and faster would have a tvs, not a turbo. and that isn't concerning shop cars, there are people on here that have been since 2005-2006 running low 10's with 2.2's and definitely not with a blower
i'm not here to convince anyone, I have had the m62, tvs AND turbo all three on my personal car (not including 1 twinscrew and one other turbo setup years ago) and I am here to tell you that anyone arguing for a tvs over a proper turbo setup, is an idiot.
what exactly have you had on yours again?
if the tvs was so fast, the majority of people running 12's and EVERYONE running 11's and faster would have a tvs, not a turbo. and that isn't concerning shop cars, there are people on here that have been since 2005-2006 running low 10's with 2.2's and definitely not with a blower
i'm not here to convince anyone, I have had the m62, tvs AND turbo all three on my personal car (not including 1 twinscrew and one other turbo setup years ago) and I am here to tell you that anyone arguing for a tvs over a proper turbo setup, is an idiot.
what exactly have you had on yours again?
11-01-2010, 07:31 PM
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I have to agree with you. I have had the m62 I pushed that. Then I got the tvs and pushed that. But since I have had my turbo I have not complained about it at all and Will never go back to the tvs. Turbo will make more power then the tvs it will be safer on your car because of heat. With my turbo setup on base boost 10psi 270hp I had a hard time getting any traction at the track and now that I am on higher boost I can only get traction end of 2nd.
11-01-2010, 07:36 PM
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So why are you the first to jump in on every tvs thread to flap about how much superior a turbo is? Also I am not arguing that for actual big power like 450whp and up yes a turbo will get there far easier than the tvs no question. back to the topic of this thread this guy is building his car not shop car, not everyone has an abundance of money to just throw around a "proper" turbo set up as you call it is going to run you $3500+ with the SAME MONEY ($2000) I don't think the tvs can be beat. $2000 won't even cover the parts let alone installation.. not everyone can afford to have their car down for weeks in peices in the garage because they wanted a big bad turbo. the tvs on the other hand can be swapped in a couple of hours. I am not arguing about as far as huge power turbo is the way to go but you have to remember we are driving fwd cobalts... most people are not that serious about modding their cobalt.
I pushed the tvs to 305 and with dual pass and a heat exchanger say temps of 150 after a 4th gear pull and was out of fuel before the end of 4th gear. There is alot of people sitting right around 300-325 on a tvs and cant push it past that. My goals where set high and with that in mind the only way to get to my goal was a turbo kit.
11-01-2010, 07:49 PM
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If you want to stay low 300 mid 350 with a good setup cost friendly then you cant go wrong with a tvs because of the ease of the install if you have 3-4k and want high numbers go with a turbo.
I got lsd and other mods for tractions coming this winter with my rebuild.
I pushed the tvs to 305 and with dual pass and a heat exchanger say temps of 150 after a 4th gear pull and was out of fuel before the end of 4th gear. There is alot of people sitting right around 300-325 on a tvs and cant push it past that. My goals where set high and with that in mind the only way to get to my goal was a turbo kit.
I got lsd and other mods for tractions coming this winter with my rebuild.
I pushed the tvs to 305 and with dual pass and a heat exchanger say temps of 150 after a 4th gear pull and was out of fuel before the end of 4th gear. There is alot of people sitting right around 300-325 on a tvs and cant push it past that. My goals where set high and with that in mind the only way to get to my goal was a turbo kit.
11-01-2010, 08:01 PM
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Different strokes for different folks. That is exactly why I asked what you will be doing with the car. 99% of the people just want to see big numbers on a monitor so they can tell their friends at the local Sheetz how fast their **** is. So a big giant Turbo is for them.
If money is no object, and neither is install work/labor... Then a properly sized and built turbo will out run a TVS car in Drag. ZZP's stuff is perfect example. But again, 99% of the Turbo swapped LSJ's do it wrong.
If you plan to Auto-X or even Road Course the car, you will be better off with the TVS.
If money is no object, and neither is install work/labor... Then a properly sized and built turbo will out run a TVS car in Drag. ZZP's stuff is perfect example. But again, 99% of the Turbo swapped LSJ's do it wrong.
If you plan to Auto-X or even Road Course the car, you will be better off with the TVS.
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11-01-2010, 08:16 PM
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So why are you the first to jump in on every tvs thread to flap about how much superior a turbo is? Also I am not arguing that for actual big power like 450whp and up yes a turbo will get there far easier than the tvs no question. back to the topic of this thread this guy is building his car not shop car, not everyone has an abundance of money to just throw around a "proper" turbo set up as you call it is going to run you $3500+ with the SAME MONEY ($2000) I don't think the tvs can be beat. $2000 won't even cover the parts let alone installation.. not everyone can afford to have their car down for weeks in peices in the garage because they wanted a big bad turbo. the tvs on the other hand can be swapped in a couple of hours. I am not arguing about as far as huge power turbo is the way to go but you have to remember we are driving fwd cobalts... most people are not that serious about modding their cobalt.
tvs kit = $2200 then you have to add in all the other parts if you want to be over 275whp
I paid $2600 for a real garrett turbo kit all the way down to a tune that put down 320whp/330wtq, that included EVERYTHING even with a new aem intake. after changing over some of the parts to aftermarket, i have 360whp and still below $3k. the machinist is almost done with my second motor and then i'll be able to bump up to 450whp+ with the push of a button.
and lastly, i chime in for the same reason you chime in trying to say how superior a tvs is; the only difference is that my opinion is right and yours is not.