what do you guys think about this w/a manifold set up
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what do you guys think about this w/a manifold set up
well i have been on jbo, and O.E.M. is working on making a manifold for their ld9 m62 project, they stuck with water/air cooling, and ended up doing the following deisgn...
that is it...now that is their proto, but from what i saw the cooling system is staying as is(despite my many attempts to tell them it wont cool enough)
now every one, based on your personaly experience with your m62, how do u think this design will work? I have personally advised them too:
-use bigger tubes, or more of them
-if they are going to run them in 4 like that, to go all single pass
-to add some fins to help xfer heat from air to the water
but what do you guys think? would u run this set up on you m62?
that is it...now that is their proto, but from what i saw the cooling system is staying as is(despite my many attempts to tell them it wont cool enough)
now every one, based on your personaly experience with your m62, how do u think this design will work? I have personally advised them too:
-use bigger tubes, or more of them
-if they are going to run them in 4 like that, to go all single pass
-to add some fins to help xfer heat from air to the water
but what do you guys think? would u run this set up on you m62?
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you know if they pit a small oil cooler in their and ran the coolant threw that, it would work way better. i doubt that would cool the air very much, bearly any contact area. its all lantent heat transfer(sp).....
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yeah those tubes are not going to do squat. who is building this? want to make sure I never buy anything from these guys. I don't believe they understand what they are doing. The stock laminovas would be better than that thing, more surface area anyways. Has anyone tried a brick and plate style manifold like the zr1? or a fin type cooler like mini madness made for the mini obviously?
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yeah those tubes are not going to do squat. who is building this? want to make sure I never buy anything from these guys. I don't believe they understand what they are doing. The stock laminovas would be better than that thing, more surface area anyways. Has anyone tried a brick and plate style manifold like the zr1? or a fin type cooler like mini madness made for the mini obviously?
http://www.overkillengineeringmotorsports.com/
^^^they are making it
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i bet the welds on the cooling tubing have mad sugar inside. which is going to cut down on flow even more than those jank 90s they are using. i wouldnt put that on my car if you paid me.
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yeah those tubes are not going to do squat. who is building this? want to make sure I never buy anything from these guys. I don't believe they understand what they are doing. The stock laminovas would be better than that thing, more surface area anyways. Has anyone tried a brick and plate style manifold like the zr1? or a fin type cooler like mini madness made for the mini obviously?
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very true, those 90*'s are killers in flow, some nice U bends would of been nice, o rbetter yet, no bends at all, in one side, out the other, single pass....
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There is no *********** on the tubes, and after a little modifying the tubes flow alot more. You are not realizing that we are running a 500 gph pump and a extra large 600hp water to air intercooler. Yes this is a proto kit, but it does work. Also with a little modifying to the tubes to add surface area, or cap one end off and make it a c02 system, it will work even better.
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There is no *********** on the tubes, and after a little modifying the tubes flow alot more. You are not realizing that we are running a 500 gph pump and a extra large 600hp water to air intercooler. Yes this is a proto kit, but it does work. Also with a little modifying to the tubes to add surface area, or cap one end off and make it a c02 system, it will work even better.
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check out swagelock.com or hylock.com they sell premade bends. if you need help finding them pm me and ill look um up at work.
you could even get a tubing bender and bend the tubing yourself. a couple back to back 180* bends will out flow your set up easily.
i do like the co2 idea you suggested. ive got a few similar ideas brewing for c02 setups.
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now every one, based on your personaly experience with your m62, how do u think this design will work? I have personally advised them too:
-use bigger tubes, or more of them
-if they are going to run them in 4 like that, to go all single pass
-to add some fins to help xfer heat from air to the water
but what do you guys think? would u run this set up on you m62?
-use bigger tubes, or more of them
-if they are going to run them in 4 like that, to go all single pass
-to add some fins to help xfer heat from air to the water
but what do you guys think? would u run this set up on you m62?
The best part is the equal-ish runners but thats about it.
The Vulcan prototype looks much more professional.
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There is no *********** on the tubes, and after a little modifying the tubes flow alot more. You are not realizing that we are running a 500 gph pump and a extra large 600hp water to air intercooler. Yes this is a proto kit, but it does work. Also with a little modifying to the tubes to add surface area, or cap one end off and make it a c02 system, it will work even better.
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2. The tubes are taking so liitle heat out of the system that the large pump and IC are doing more harm than good. You'd be better off with no intercooling. The 2 or 3 deg cooling you're getting doesn't offset the weight disadvantage.
3. The temperature of the intake manifold makes more of a difference than the IC tubes. It's just common sense. There is far more surface area on the inside of the intake touching air than the exterior of the 'cooling' tubes. You'd make more power and have lower charge temps with a colder T-stat in the car.
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Thats because their manifold is done. They have not done any testing with it, so they have no idea how it will work.
1. No it doesn't work.
2. The tubes are taking so liitle heat out of the system that the large pump and IC are doing more harm than good. You'd be better off with no intercooling. The 2 or 3 deg cooling you're getting doesn't offset the weight disadvantage.
3. The temperature of the intake manifold makes more of a difference than the IC tubes. It's just common sense. There is far more surface area on the inside of the intake touching air than the exterior of the 'cooling' tubes. You'd make more power and have lower charge temps with a colder T-stat in the car.
2. The tubes are taking so liitle heat out of the system that the large pump and IC are doing more harm than good. You'd be better off with no intercooling. The 2 or 3 deg cooling you're getting doesn't offset the weight disadvantage.
3. The temperature of the intake manifold makes more of a difference than the IC tubes. It's just common sense. There is far more surface area on the inside of the intake touching air than the exterior of the 'cooling' tubes. You'd make more power and have lower charge temps with a colder T-stat in the car.
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