ZZP all out m62 build What do you think it is capable of?
08-12-2009, 03:38 PM
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http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...hp?t=123618040
With Lotus' help, they claim 283 ENGINE horsepower without nitrous. Yet we are suppose to believe it was 335 at the wheels. Those figures are nearly 100whp apart.
With Lotus' help, they claim 283 ENGINE horsepower without nitrous. Yet we are suppose to believe it was 335 at the wheels. Those figures are nearly 100whp apart.
08-12-2009, 03:44 PM
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http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...hp?t=123618040
With Lotus' help, they claim 283 ENGINE horsepower without nitrous. Yet we are suppose to believe it was 335 at the wheels. Those figures are nearly 100whp apart.
With Lotus' help, they claim 283 ENGINE horsepower without nitrous. Yet we are suppose to believe it was 335 at the wheels. Those figures are nearly 100whp apart.
08-12-2009, 03:46 PM
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you will need a larger blower than an m62 to take me down in the whp race. the number didn't change on the TA car. if you wanted proof of it, id say call up the people who built it. however, that phone call will end quick.
i am elusive for a reason, going back and editing is not the cause. i keep certain things secret to keep people on their toes. push them harder to try and figure out what i did. not for personal gain really.
you pissed off the people who know the facts behind that build. go read the build book again and then ask yourself if it is truely 260whp.
i am elusive for a reason, going back and editing is not the cause. i keep certain things secret to keep people on their toes. push them harder to try and figure out what i did. not for personal gain really.
you pissed off the people who know the facts behind that build. go read the build book again and then ask yourself if it is truely 260whp.
08-12-2009, 03:58 PM
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283 ENGINE horsepower doesn't even equate to 260whp. Which is what I thought they put down.
you zzp guys wanna release anything on those head flow numbers or block work?
you zzp guys wanna release anything on those head flow numbers or block work?
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08-12-2009, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...hp?t=123618040
With Lotus' help, they claim 283 ENGINE horsepower without nitrous. Yet we are suppose to believe it was 335 at the wheels. Those figures are nearly 100whp apart.
50hp nearly 50hp apart
Originally Posted by Matt M
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...hp?t=123618040
With Lotus' help, they claim 283 ENGINE horsepower without nitrous. Yet we are suppose to believe it was 335 at the wheels. Those figures are nearly 100whp apart.
50hp nearly 50hp apart
08-12-2009, 04:29 PM
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How about everyone stops bickering and just do the build. Posting threads like this, always end up the same. Because ZZP is vague on all the mods, just as Area is. Yet Area is not a company trying to get customers. I would suggest being straight forward with what you have done to the car and explaining it.
Zooomer and other ZZP staff. Why is "ZZP" in front of the LS4 tb? Anything different than a normal LS4 tb? Consider it nit-picking if you want, but it's not a ZZP specific item. Is the ZZP stage 4 clutch really a Bully clutch?
Note, I am not fighting. Asking questions.
Zooomer and other ZZP staff. Why is "ZZP" in front of the LS4 tb? Anything different than a normal LS4 tb? Consider it nit-picking if you want, but it's not a ZZP specific item. Is the ZZP stage 4 clutch really a Bully clutch?
Note, I am not fighting. Asking questions.
08-12-2009, 04:53 PM
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i thought the GM build book was only alittle over 300hp and that was at the crank on an engine dyno. so wouldn't that only be 260ish 270ish at the wheels.
08-12-2009, 04:58 PM
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How about everyone stops bickering and just do the build. Posting threads like this, always end up the same. Because ZZP is vague on all the mods, just as Area is. Yet Area is not a company trying to get customers. I would suggest being straight forward with what you have done to the car and explaining it.
Zooomer and other ZZP staff. Why is "ZZP" in front of the LS4 tb? Anything different than a normal LS4 tb? Consider it nit-picking if you want, but it's not a ZZP specific item. Is the ZZP stage 4 clutch really a Bully clutch?
Note, I am not fighting. Asking questions.
Zooomer and other ZZP staff. Why is "ZZP" in front of the LS4 tb? Anything different than a normal LS4 tb? Consider it nit-picking if you want, but it's not a ZZP specific item. Is the ZZP stage 4 clutch really a Bully clutch?
Note, I am not fighting. Asking questions.
I don't know what you mean about "ZZP" in front of the LS4 TB. Yes, we do machine them to fix a performance issue and yes I believe ours are better than what you'd get elsewhere but it's a small issue and one most professionals probably take care of anyway.
Not sure what you mean about "bully" clutch? Can you elaborate?
08-12-2009, 05:02 PM
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It's Tim's car so between him not having run yet and ZZP having spec'd custom parts, maybe he doesn't wan't to post just yet. There isn't anything hidden in what we've posted about in past threads. We're very open about Ryan's car and will be about Tim's. The things isn't even driving yet so chillax.
I don't know what you mean about "ZZP" in front of the LS4 TB. Yes, we do machine them to fix a performance issue and yes I believe ours are better than what you'd get elsewhere but it's a small issue and one most professionals probably take care of anyway.
Not sure what you mean about "bully" clutch? Can you elaborate?
I don't know what you mean about "ZZP" in front of the LS4 TB. Yes, we do machine them to fix a performance issue and yes I believe ours are better than what you'd get elsewhere but it's a small issue and one most professionals probably take care of anyway.
Not sure what you mean about "bully" clutch? Can you elaborate?
08-12-2009, 05:37 PM
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08-12-2009, 06:31 PM
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We will need a big block to take down your HP numbers because they don't exist in concrete form. Any number you post, you claim that it's not your best # therefore making it impossible for anyone to beat you. It's just a dumb game with you. We run a number then you claim that you or someone else did better but you won't say who because it's a secret. You've change HP numbers and builds on this kind of stuff like a dozen times. It's stupid. Just post what you did and man up if someone beats it. It's not hard.
I'm not going to chase people I don't know around and ask them if the fake numbers Area47 is claiming their car did is accurate. You made the claim, the burden of proof lies on the affirmative side of a claim. Otherwise I could claim we made 1000WHP and then when you asked for proof just retort with "prove we didnt" This doesn't serve any purpose but ego stroking and only works on children.
I have a GM build book and found nothing about your claims in it. If you have proof of a dyno or HP # then post it. If you don't then STFU and let the people who have real numbers talk about them.
I'm not going to chase people I don't know around and ask them if the fake numbers Area47 is claiming their car did is accurate. You made the claim, the burden of proof lies on the affirmative side of a claim. Otherwise I could claim we made 1000WHP and then when you asked for proof just retort with "prove we didnt" This doesn't serve any purpose but ego stroking and only works on children.
I have a GM build book and found nothing about your claims in it. If you have proof of a dyno or HP # then post it. If you don't then STFU and let the people who have real numbers talk about them.
my numbers are far from bullshit. YOU have something to prove to people. i don't. i am not trying to sell parts. you are. i give two ***** if you use my dyno numbers as a bench mark. until you do more than 352/308. i might pay attention then. for now i just feel the need to poke the bear for no reason. you and the rest of your "crew" are getting pissy for no reason.
you would not post the things you do if it were not for some of us. you would not be pushing this hard to do the things you do if it were not for a few of us. you have competition. you have a reason to push hard. i do not. i honestly don't care. you keep looking for dyno numbers of others. i keep feeding this. nothing more. there is ALWAYS someone with higher numbers, or a faster car in the same platform. you can not get around this. trying to top two markets, and trying to do battle with factory backed cars is setting ones self up for failure.
matt. keep digging. 2.8 cars can do that on a box stock motor. if you really think 283whp is all it did, you're not bright.
BTW. i am in no way shape or form mad, or pissy about anything you guys post. i find it amusing to argue. why? eventually the truth comes out in the end.
Last edited by Area47; 08-12-2009 at 06:31 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
08-12-2009, 06:33 PM
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well, ignoring all the BS in this thread, GJ ZZP!
I'm very interested in the electric water pump (along with your balance shaft delete kit in Ryan's car) for my 2.2 (I assume its a direct swap).
I'm also curious if you guys can do headwork on a 2.2 as well, since they use different heads with water passages in differing loations to the LSJ head (though they flow about the same CFMs in stock form)
Regardless, I'm planning a similar build for my 2.2 to max out the M62 on it, and then i plan on swapping to the TVS and seeing what i can do there as well
I'm very interested in the electric water pump (along with your balance shaft delete kit in Ryan's car) for my 2.2 (I assume its a direct swap).
I'm also curious if you guys can do headwork on a 2.2 as well, since they use different heads with water passages in differing loations to the LSJ head (though they flow about the same CFMs in stock form)
Regardless, I'm planning a similar build for my 2.2 to max out the M62 on it, and then i plan on swapping to the TVS and seeing what i can do there as well
08-12-2009, 06:37 PM
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well, ignoring all the BS in this thread, GJ ZZP!
I'm very interested in the electric water pump (along with your balance shaft delete kit in Ryan's car) for my 2.2 (I assume its a direct swap).
I'm also curious if you guys can do headwork on a 2.2 as well, since they use different heads with water passages in differing loations to the LSJ head (though they flow about the same CFMs in stock form)
Regardless, I'm planning a similar build for my 2.2 to max out the M62 on it, and then i plan on swapping to the TVS and seeing what i can do there as well
I'm very interested in the electric water pump (along with your balance shaft delete kit in Ryan's car) for my 2.2 (I assume its a direct swap).
I'm also curious if you guys can do headwork on a 2.2 as well, since they use different heads with water passages in differing loations to the LSJ head (though they flow about the same CFMs in stock form)
Regardless, I'm planning a similar build for my 2.2 to max out the M62 on it, and then i plan on swapping to the TVS and seeing what i can do there as well
08-12-2009, 07:29 PM
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The car has bugs. Brake pedal is sticking, electric steering is being buggy, it's got a small current draw even with the car off. That kind of stuff.
The alignment is bad and we have a great shop for that. We're expecting 10WHP on this car from our chrome moly control arms (almost done) and the alignment.
The alignment is bad and we have a great shop for that. We're expecting 10WHP on this car from our chrome moly control arms (almost done) and the alignment.