OK, for those that are mentally challenged:
We build them the same way we build that GP downpipes. That is to say the same flex, the same gauge tubing, etc. The fixtures are custom made for the Cobalt, the bends are custom done for the Cobalt, the flanges are custom made for the Cobalt. I assumed that people were smart enough to realize that it wouldn't be physically possible to bolt a GP downpipe up to a Cobalt. Shows what I get for assuming...

On the breakages, you guys never quit. The problem was corrected a year ago! Can you comprehend that? 1 year ago. You guys are talking like it's still an ongoing issue. The ZZP downpipes are the only ones on the market constructued of interlock flex, 304 stainless, water jet cut flanges, mandrel bends and tig welds. There is no finer piece. We just have a few tools running around the boards yelling as loud as they can that our downpipes are breaking. They aren't. The issue was discussed, resolved and warantees were extended. This was a year ago. Get over it.

 

you havent resolved the fact that the resonator doesnt fit or it breaking because it hits everything

 

This is a thread titled "ZZP Mid-length header/downpipe - nothing but problems". We don't include a resonator with our header so you're posting in the wrong thread. Please email customer service if you want an issue addressed. If you just want to bitch, start a new thread or rivive an old one about your issue and I'll explain why it wasn't very smart to spend an alleged $580 fixing your exhaust that was under warranty and spamming the forums about it still being broken.

 

Very insulting Zooomer, why you have to call us "MENTALLY CHALLENGED" and "TOOLS"????? Thats plain ignorant. Read the posts on here closely, I have talked too several balt owners who "claim" that they have purchased the dp combo within the last year after the problem was "corrected" so my statements arent out of line are they? Correct me if Im wrong but this is a forum that is supposed to be informative and thats why we balt owners talk right? If bad quality shi* is being built then its good to point that out for other potential buyers of that product. Thats one of the main reasons as to why I joined this forum. I think you should appologize for those rude remarks as there was nothing personal being directed to you rather the quality of a certain product that was made unsatisfactory "1 year ago". Thats it thats all.

 

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i'll consider it...

 

i had vibrant on my car for a while before i sold it and it was nothing bad perfect

 

well ok ill concentrate my issues to just the header and downpipe, one of the upper screws on the header flange doesnt screw in because the primary is lined up too high

the collector flange is warped and 3 gaskets had to be used to stop the leak no doubt due to the amazing welding job you described, all at my expense

call it spam whatever you want, I call it personal experience and trying to save others the trouble of dealing with this piece of junk.

 

i went through 9 gaskets on mine... i know that feeling

btw, everytime i see your screen name, i think of Transformers - Optimus Prime

 

lol for it being "specially" designed your right. its "special" alright lmao!!!!! you might be too

 

I think Zooomer meant that its SPECIALLY CHALLENGED!! He forgot the challenged part.looooool.

On second thought mabye he meant that it was especially challenging to build something of quality. One question I have for you Zooomer(and I dont feel bad for asking this because you are starting to act extremely unprofessional) is that lets say you are right and there was "0" problems with this dp combo in the last year.. Why did you guys keep on taking these honest peoples hard earned money for a product that you MUST HAVE KNOWN WAS FLAWED after lets say the first 20 complaints or so?? Wouldnt you guys sit around the coffee table and say to one another "Uh mabye we screwed up something here" rather you continued to take customers money and send them this faulty product.

 

If you read my post I didn't mean everything was universal, but if you prefer to be immature and ignorant go for it. It was a simple statement that everyone was taking zoomer's comment out of context. The weld was the problem, not anything else. They didn't just take the header/DP off a GTP and throw it on the cobalt. It IS vehicle specific. He admitted they made a mistake, but honestly, once again, he said that particular part worked for years on other vehicles trying to state that it had been proven to work, not that they just threw it on there for the hell of it. Live and learn.

Are you honestly saying companies don't take what they learn/do from other vehicles or products and apply that to other products/vehicles?

I'm sure that the headers and downpipe fitting were just mere coincidence, because according to you they were never tested. I'm sure the people who have never had a problem are all just freaks of nature and should buy lotto tickets.

No one expected that to happen, oh wait... it even happens on our factory downpipes... didn't it... oh man... damn you GM for not testing any of your products! Or how about our awesome axles? Man its wierd how companies make products that might fail. I bet the cobalts were the test vehicles for vehicles with our style downpipes and axles like ours.

As for the bang comment, you are right, I have seen so many threads about how ZZP's combo caused engine failure, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Some people I swear.

Bleh I'm done. I mean you were apparently there when they tested it, because you know exactly what they did from reading one sentence and making your own assumptions, so why would I argue with you?

Look like I said, I don't own it, I just think people are ASSUMING way too much off of what he said and took it the wrong way, then everyones jumping down his throat. Maybe he actually didn't test crap, but I doubt it.

 

Holy ****, sorry I brought this thread back to life.

I wasn't trying to say that the header/DP was a piece of crap. I was just stating that the same thing happened to mine too. The total fix only took me an hour or so, and that included going down to the muffler shop to have it welded together. My only other complaint is that their is still a leak at the Header/DP flange. I don't have any idea how I am going to fix that.

In all honesty though guys, for the price and performance of this setup. The few issues that people are having with them, does not even compare to some of the **** I have seen sold on these boards in the last few years for almost double the price.

 

there resinator isn't much better, the mechanic at my shop was baffled at the design. the welds kept breaking pos imo.

 

One thing you can do for the leaking flange would be to put a straight edge over the flange from bolt hole to bolt hole. You can grind off what is high. That's assuming that your leak is coming from the edges away from where the exhaust is bolted together.

 

My factory header d/p failed. How many ppl with these failed zzp combo's have upgraded engine and trans mounts? Or do they just let their engine bounce around until parts stress fracture?

 

What your saying is just not true, at all. It obviously doesn't even make sense to be feasably true when we warranty all of our products as well. We've sold over 300 mid length combos. We have warranted about 20, which considering the flaw of the early models is reasonable. Should it be better? Of course, but there was a flaw and we addressed it. Your statement that we took hard earned money for a known bad product is just biased slander and factually inaccurate.
As I stated before, if your part was defective and you spent $580 trying to fix it and it's still broken, then I would say you have some personal issues and should let someone else help you mod your car. I would think that a reasonable person would return the parts as they are under warranty and ask they to be replaced. If you don't return the product or allow us to correct the problem and choose to handle the fix on your own, then the issue is yours, not ours.

In addition, I would also think a reasonable person would not spend $580 fixing an exhaust and complain to the vendor that it's still broken. I would go see the people you gave $580 to and ask for a refund.

Not true, people are intentionally making up issues that don't exist, spamming that our product is still breaking flexes when they know they are not and doing whatever they can to slander our business regardless of whether it is true or not. If that applies to you, then you are a tool and I will not apologize for calling you out. If it doesn't apply to you, then I see no reason for you to take offense. I didn't not name anyone specifically.

And you posting that you talked to several people who bought in the last year is just BS hearsay as far as I'm concerned. This forum is ridiculous how often that happens. It spread like wildfire that our PCM and stage 5 kits were blowing up engines. We have never sold a stage 5 kit and there isn't a single person who blew up with our PCM.

Then there was the bullcrap out our PCMs disabling the knock sensors. Total lie but people spread it around as gospel once the first person said it.

Then it was said that we pressurize the fuel tank on our boost referenced fuel system. Again a lie. The list just goes on and on. The haters of ZZP just make up lies like school girls and it spreads leaving me to clean up the mess and people reply as if I'm an ass for dispelling rumors and untruths...

After that we heard that This is how the forum goes and you are fueling it with what you just did. "well I heard..." I'm defending ZZP because of this crap. If you have an issue as Rodimus? does, then feel free to post. I'm just sick of people saying "why are you still selling defective this and that" when they don't own it, don't link threads and just reply "well I heard..."

 

So, you're essentially saying that it's our fault when one of your parts breaks/fails on someone's daily driver?

Your warranty is a nice crutch, but we have to pay for shipping and have the car down 1-2 weeks at a minimum. For most of us that's just not possible as it's the only car we own. Would you like to pay for our rental car to go to work every day while you repair our broken parts?

 

Suggesting that we pay for a rental car or lost wages, etc isn't reasonalbe. No company does that. If you have one car, take it into consideration before you mod it. We don't sell mod rental car insurance.

If you have an issue with the flex, we pay for return shipping negating your other point.

It's not your fault that our part breaks, it's ours. If you choose to fix it on your own and pay someone to do it, then we are done with the issue as you chose your own route. We cannot be responsible for how you handle problems. I recommend all customers return the affected downpipes to us for inspection/repair/replacment and we will pay for the shipping both ways and take care of the issue for 2 years no charge to you.

 

Why would I ask for warranty on a part thats designed for failure? The whisper resonator is too ******* big for under the car! So you send me another one, in a few weeks its going to break also why would I bother going through that? Its easier, cheaper, and smarter to replace it with something that works the first time. In my case it was the longest 3inch cherry bomb made, not quite as quiet but it does the job, it doesn't get in the way and it hasn't broken.

I had it to 3 different muffler shops for repairs so far, all have had issues with its shitty construction, everyone else isn't wrong. Also when my downpipe broke, I was at a track 400 miles from home, and had to be home the next day. I can't take it off the car, wait for several days and tell my job to **** off until the new one comes in. Most people can't just ignore something for several days unless they trailer the car everywhere.

Sure the materials used are of good quality, but the design is poor and until you redesign the entire thing so that it fits and doesn't break I have nothing good to say about it and will make it a point to relay my personal experience to anyone that even thinks about buying it on here.

 

Again, this thread is about a header downpipe, not a general bitch about ZZP thread.

Common sense should suggest to you that every resonator we sold cannot be wrong for the car. Do you really think 50 guys have resonators that just won't physically fit in the car? Furthermore, if it was too large to fit under the car you shouldn't have installed it. You should have emailed customer service or phoned in and explained your problem. It sounds like you either don't know much about exhaust or knew you had the wrong part and installed it anyway.

Next you had a problem no less than 3 times and chose not to involve ZZP. This is an issue out of our hands. You chose to take responsiblity for the problem so you need to take some. It's either your issue and you need to deal with it on your own, or it's ours and you need to send it back. you can't have it both ways. Are we going to hear 3 years from now that you've taken it to 10 exhaust shops and spent 4 grand? At what point do you become the problem? I think it's time you own up.

The are many things that could be wrong. The wrong resonator could have been sent, it could have been constructed with the wrong components, we may have redesigned it, it could just be defective, it could have been 'repaired' wrong. The thing is, ZZP will never know or be able to help you because we don't have the product and you refuse to send it. So send it in or deal with it on your own, until then I'm done replying with ideas for you. The choice is and has always been yours. Saying we screwed you but you won't return it is senseless and doesn't give credibility to your entire post.

 

I had to pay for the product to be shipped back to your shop... don't know where this "shipping both ways" came from. You only took care of the shipping back to me.

As the original starter of this thread, I give permission to Rodimus_Prime... to bitch.

 

Its not my job to explain to you that the part doesn't fit, as a one time reputable dealer I would expect something you design for the cobalt to fit the cobalt.

It is not my fault your product is a piece of ****, so stop trying to pass off the blame. Your the biggest ******** of any vendor on here. Whenever your products or its reputation is put into question you just hide behind what you have done for other cars or what you have done in the past. Nobody here really cares what you have done for grand ******.

Hell I'd rather buy from Intense.

BTW when's that tune contest going to happen between OTTP and ZZP, ***** out of that too?

I'm still waiting to see this M62 monster thats supposed to best all the TVS guys too................

 

Watch out Rod you may be labeled a ZZP basher......

 

it's ok, i gave him permission, remember?