ZZP S3 Cams
09-03-2011, 02:07 PM
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ZZP S3 Cams
So, I used the search function and was unable to find anything usefully on these. Is anyone using them currently, what type of results have you seen, and what is the drivability like with the high in the revs style power band?
Any info would be appreciated.
Any info would be appreciated.
09-03-2011, 02:59 PM
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Directly from ZZPs website
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The COMP CamsŽ ECOTEC camshafts provide increased horsepower and all around performance for this increasingly popular sport compact application, without compromising engine durability. Using SpintronŽ developed ECOTEC lobe profiles, the COMP CamsŽ engineering team optimized intake and exhaust flow to deliver dramatic performance improvements. This was accomplished by opening the intake valves faster with aggressive fast ramp lobe designs. The results are improved throttle response and seat of the pants performance. The new COMP camshafts also utilize quicker valve closings, giving the ECOTEC engine a much broader power band.
When you replace your cams, you will NEED to replace your valve springs and retainers. It is also HIGHLY recommended to remove or replace your balance shafts with the neutral balance shafts. Please keep in mind, even our Stage 1 cams are a big upgrade from the stock cams.
-The Stage 1 cams are recommended for most supercharged builds, these cams will raise your powerband about 500rpm.
-The Stage 2 cams are the next step, they will raise your powerband about 700-1000rpm, they will make peak power around 7500-7800rpm! They will require neutral balance shafts.
-The Stage 3 cams are recommended for all out race cars, not intended for street cars due to their high rpm powerband. They were designed for our all out drag car with the 2.4L stroker engine. These are the cams that Turbo Tim runs in his 400whp, stock blower, 2.4L stroked Saturn Redline that makes peak power at 8500rpm. So on a 2.0L they should make peak power at 9500+rpm which would require a highly modified valvetrain to support.
Stock LSJ is 196.5/191.7 duration @ 1mm(.039") valve lift and 10.04mm/10.04mm total valve lift. LSA is 107.5
ZZP S1 is 210/206 @ 1mm and 10.78mm/10.69mm lift, 109 LSA
ZZP S2 is 216/218 @ 1mm and 10.78mm/10.69mm lift, 111 LSA
ZZP S3 is 216/224 @ 1mm and 10.78mm/11.10mm lift, 113 LSA
Stage 3 is better suited for TVS setups running more boost than M62 cars or S3 would also work well on M62/nitrous applications.
We have spent a lot of time degreeing these cams to make them optimal for our applications. If you buy Ecotec cams directly from Comp they WILL NOT come correct. This is why we dropped our GM cam line, they were not correct for the LSJ engine.
Turbo cams:
Stage 2 turbo cams are 212/212 duration at .050" with .419 lift. We have had good results with these cams for fairly modded street cars."
The COMP CamsŽ ECOTEC camshafts provide increased horsepower and all around performance for this increasingly popular sport compact application, without compromising engine durability. Using SpintronŽ developed ECOTEC lobe profiles, the COMP CamsŽ engineering team optimized intake and exhaust flow to deliver dramatic performance improvements. This was accomplished by opening the intake valves faster with aggressive fast ramp lobe designs. The results are improved throttle response and seat of the pants performance. The new COMP camshafts also utilize quicker valve closings, giving the ECOTEC engine a much broader power band.
When you replace your cams, you will NEED to replace your valve springs and retainers. It is also HIGHLY recommended to remove or replace your balance shafts with the neutral balance shafts. Please keep in mind, even our Stage 1 cams are a big upgrade from the stock cams.
-The Stage 1 cams are recommended for most supercharged builds, these cams will raise your powerband about 500rpm.
-The Stage 2 cams are the next step, they will raise your powerband about 700-1000rpm, they will make peak power around 7500-7800rpm! They will require neutral balance shafts.
-The Stage 3 cams are recommended for all out race cars, not intended for street cars due to their high rpm powerband. They were designed for our all out drag car with the 2.4L stroker engine. These are the cams that Turbo Tim runs in his 400whp, stock blower, 2.4L stroked Saturn Redline that makes peak power at 8500rpm. So on a 2.0L they should make peak power at 9500+rpm which would require a highly modified valvetrain to support.
Stock LSJ is 196.5/191.7 duration @ 1mm(.039") valve lift and 10.04mm/10.04mm total valve lift. LSA is 107.5
ZZP S1 is 210/206 @ 1mm and 10.78mm/10.69mm lift, 109 LSA
ZZP S2 is 216/218 @ 1mm and 10.78mm/10.69mm lift, 111 LSA
ZZP S3 is 216/224 @ 1mm and 10.78mm/11.10mm lift, 113 LSA
Stage 3 is better suited for TVS setups running more boost than M62 cars or S3 would also work well on M62/nitrous applications.
We have spent a lot of time degreeing these cams to make them optimal for our applications. If you buy Ecotec cams directly from Comp they WILL NOT come correct. This is why we dropped our GM cam line, they were not correct for the LSJ engine.
Turbo cams:
Stage 2 turbo cams are 212/212 duration at .050" with .419 lift. We have had good results with these cams for fairly modded street cars."
09-04-2011, 12:44 PM
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The COMP CamsŽ ECOTEC camshafts provide increased horsepower and all around performance for this increasingly popular sport compact application, without compromising engine durability. Using SpintronŽ developed ECOTEC lobe profiles, the COMP CamsŽ engineering team optimized intake and exhaust flow to deliver dramatic performance improvements. This was accomplished by opening the intake valves faster with aggressive fast ramp lobe designs. The results are improved throttle response and seat of the pants performance. The new COMP camshafts also utilize quicker valve closings, giving the ECOTEC engine a much broader power band.
When you replace your cams, you will NEED to replace your valve springs and retainers. It is also HIGHLY recommended to remove or replace your balance shafts with the neutral balance shafts. Please keep in mind, even our Stage 1 cams are a big upgrade from the stock cams.
-The Stage 1 cams are recommended for most supercharged builds, these cams will raise your powerband about 500rpm.
-The Stage 2 cams are the next step, they will raise your powerband about 700-1000rpm, they will make peak power around 7500-7800rpm! They will require neutral balance shafts.
-The Stage 3 cams are recommended for all out race cars, not intended for street cars due to their high rpm powerband. They were designed for our all out drag car with the 2.4L stroker engine. These are the cams that Turbo Tim runs in his 400whp, stock blower, 2.4L stroked Saturn Redline that makes peak power at 8500rpm. So on a 2.0L they should make peak power at 9500+rpm which would require a highly modified valvetrain to support.
Stock LSJ is 196.5/191.7 duration @ 1mm(.039") valve lift and 10.04mm/10.04mm total valve lift. LSA is 107.5
ZZP S1 is 210/206 @ 1mm and 10.78mm/10.69mm lift, 109 LSA
ZZP S2 is 216/218 @ 1mm and 10.78mm/10.69mm lift, 111 LSA
ZZP S3 is 216/224 @ 1mm and 10.78mm/11.10mm lift, 113 LSA
Stage 3 is better suited for TVS setups running more boost than M62 cars or S3 would also work well on M62/nitrous applications.
We have spent a lot of time degreeing these cams to make them optimal for our applications. If you buy Ecotec cams directly from Comp they WILL NOT come correct. This is why we dropped our GM cam line, they were not correct for the LSJ engine.
Turbo cams:
Stage 2 turbo cams are 212/212 duration at .050" with .419 lift. We have had good results with these cams for fairly modded street cars."
The COMP CamsŽ ECOTEC camshafts provide increased horsepower and all around performance for this increasingly popular sport compact application, without compromising engine durability. Using SpintronŽ developed ECOTEC lobe profiles, the COMP CamsŽ engineering team optimized intake and exhaust flow to deliver dramatic performance improvements. This was accomplished by opening the intake valves faster with aggressive fast ramp lobe designs. The results are improved throttle response and seat of the pants performance. The new COMP camshafts also utilize quicker valve closings, giving the ECOTEC engine a much broader power band.
When you replace your cams, you will NEED to replace your valve springs and retainers. It is also HIGHLY recommended to remove or replace your balance shafts with the neutral balance shafts. Please keep in mind, even our Stage 1 cams are a big upgrade from the stock cams.
-The Stage 1 cams are recommended for most supercharged builds, these cams will raise your powerband about 500rpm.
-The Stage 2 cams are the next step, they will raise your powerband about 700-1000rpm, they will make peak power around 7500-7800rpm! They will require neutral balance shafts.
-The Stage 3 cams are recommended for all out race cars, not intended for street cars due to their high rpm powerband. They were designed for our all out drag car with the 2.4L stroker engine. These are the cams that Turbo Tim runs in his 400whp, stock blower, 2.4L stroked Saturn Redline that makes peak power at 8500rpm. So on a 2.0L they should make peak power at 9500+rpm which would require a highly modified valvetrain to support.
Stock LSJ is 196.5/191.7 duration @ 1mm(.039") valve lift and 10.04mm/10.04mm total valve lift. LSA is 107.5
ZZP S1 is 210/206 @ 1mm and 10.78mm/10.69mm lift, 109 LSA
ZZP S2 is 216/218 @ 1mm and 10.78mm/10.69mm lift, 111 LSA
ZZP S3 is 216/224 @ 1mm and 10.78mm/11.10mm lift, 113 LSA
Stage 3 is better suited for TVS setups running more boost than M62 cars or S3 would also work well on M62/nitrous applications.
We have spent a lot of time degreeing these cams to make them optimal for our applications. If you buy Ecotec cams directly from Comp they WILL NOT come correct. This is why we dropped our GM cam line, they were not correct for the LSJ engine.
Turbo cams:
Stage 2 turbo cams are 212/212 duration at .050" with .419 lift. We have had good results with these cams for fairly modded street cars."
09-04-2011, 03:33 PM
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The Stage 1 cams would be fine for most any application IMO. if you can rev past 7500 safely then go for S2, but for a street car there is not much point. I have talked to Tim about the S3 cams as well, he said that car blows to DD.....
09-04-2011, 03:37 PM
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Thanks I can read the website too, I was asking if anyone had any personal experience with them. I get the whole "for race only", I have ran "Race Only" cams in other vehicles with no driveability concerns, I'm trying to find out the same things here. If you dont have personal experience with these cams, I'm not looking for speculation.
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09-05-2011, 12:20 AM
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Thank you to those who have talked with people that have these cams. Looks like S2 cams would be the max one would want to go and still be able to drive comfortably.
@Kangol- Wasn't trying to be a dick, I have read all the info that has been posted. I was trying to get personal experience feedback on these.
@Kangol- Wasn't trying to be a dick, I have read all the info that has been posted. I was trying to get personal experience feedback on these.
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