ZZP S3 finished.....idle probs no power HELP
01-09-2012, 02:06 PM
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I never Gapped mine and I do have a minor Hesitation and stalls out occasionally, Do you guys think if I open up the Gap a bit that it would Help with these Issues?
01-09-2012, 02:11 PM
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well he told me when he does builds on ls1s to ls6s he gaps them according to hp #s. he said if he is close to 600hp he gaps them around 25/26 and smaller builds 3-400hp he gaps around 28. Also what do you use for cleaning the maf sensor? electronic cleaner or seafoam?
01-09-2012, 02:25 PM
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That is really not the best method, because ever car is different.
The LSJ likes between 0.030"-0.035" depending on mods.
I would start with 0.033", and work your way down if you have to.
0.028" is just too small for your given mods & airflow.
I use this ^, and it has always worked great.
01-09-2012, 03:09 PM
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Well....
That is really not the best method, because ever car is different.
The LSJ likes between 0.030"-0.035" depending on mods.
I would start with 0.033", and work your way down if you have to.
0.028" is just too small for your given mods & airflow.
I use this ^, and it has always worked great.
That is really not the best method, because ever car is different.
The LSJ likes between 0.030"-0.035" depending on mods.
I would start with 0.033", and work your way down if you have to.
0.028" is just too small for your given mods & airflow.
I use this ^, and it has always worked great.
01-09-2012, 03:42 PM
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update, i just cleaned and regapped the plugs to .28. no white smoke anymore but it still stuuters and hesitates at 4k or 13lbs whichever comes 1st. But in 1st gear it stutters at 13lbs/4k, 2nd gear @ 14lbs/4k, third, forth and fifth at 15lbs/4k. its kinda like a two step or rev limiter when it does it. Sure seems like its runnin rich and when under load its not getting enough air. I know, need a wide band. Come on ZZP get back to me on this.....
01-09-2012, 05:41 PM
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update, i just cleaned and regapped the plugs to .28. no white smoke anymore but it still stuuters and hesitates at 4k or 13lbs whichever comes 1st. But in 1st gear it stutters at 13lbs/4k, 2nd gear @ 14lbs/4k, third, forth and fifth at 15lbs/4k. its kinda like a two step or rev limiter when it does it. Sure seems like its runnin rich and when under load its not getting enough air. I know, need a wide band. Come on ZZP get back to me on this.....
0.028" is way to small for your setup.
The plugs are not your only issue, but at least try out a larger gap. Too small of a gap can cause the plugs to foul out due to the spark not being strong/hot enough.
01-09-2012, 05:56 PM
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I Guess I'll buy a Gapper and Gap my Plugs and then try cleaning my MAF Sensor cause I already Cleaned my TB and that did help a lot when I did it, But it still Effen Hesitates and Idle Searches just enough to be Annoying and its always Hesitating around 1,000-1,800 RPMS after that its fine, Weird? Is their a "How To" on cleaning the MAF?
01-09-2012, 05:56 PM
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yeah i did see what you said but i wanted to try it at .28 to see if that fixed the white smoke and it did. im gonna get new plugs anyway and gap them at .32 to see if the issue comes back. Dont get me wrong i appreciate your input i just wanted to try it. I guess there is still no proof that the smoke came from the blow by on the plugs but i will confirm that with new plugs.
01-09-2012, 06:39 PM
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I Guess I'll buy a Gapper and Gap my Plugs and then try cleaning my MAF Sensor cause I already Cleaned my TB and that did help a lot when I did it, But it still Effen Hesitates and Idle Searches just enough to be Annoying and its always Hesitating around 1,000-1,800 RPMS after that its fine, Weird? Is their a "How To" on cleaning the MAF?
Just remove the MAF sensor, and give it a few shots of the cleaner. Let it air dry, and you will be set.
yeah i did see what you said but i wanted to try it at .28 to see if that fixed the white smoke and it did. im gonna get new plugs anyway and gap them at .32 to see if the issue comes back. Dont get me wrong i appreciate your input i just wanted to try it. I guess there is still no proof that the smoke came from the blow by on the plugs but i will confirm that with new plugs.
You can tell a lot by reading a plug....
Such as how the plug is burning, if the heat range is too cold/hot, a/f ratio, etc.
Look up "how to read plugs" and use it as a guide man.
You have to also remember you are in Colorado. The canned tune from ZZP is designed in Michigan. Lots of factors to take into consideration to get the car running right.
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01-09-2012, 07:37 PM
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You don't need a how to man....
Just remove the MAF sensor, and give it a few shots of the cleaner. Let it air dry, and you will be set.
I would pull the plugs and look at them.
You can tell a lot by reading a plug....
Such as how the plug is burning, if the heat range is too cold/hot, a/f ratio, etc.
Look up "how to read plugs" and use it as a guide man.
You have to also remember you are in Colorado. The canned tune from ZZP is designed in Michigan. Lots of factors to take into consideration to get the car running right.
Just remove the MAF sensor, and give it a few shots of the cleaner. Let it air dry, and you will be set.
I would pull the plugs and look at them.
You can tell a lot by reading a plug....
Such as how the plug is burning, if the heat range is too cold/hot, a/f ratio, etc.
Look up "how to read plugs" and use it as a guide man.
You have to also remember you are in Colorado. The canned tune from ZZP is designed in Michigan. Lots of factors to take into consideration to get the car running right.
01-09-2012, 10:36 PM
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Ok update, i think turbo tim is on to something. So he thinks i am getting coolant from the intake mani in the engine. well 1st i thought no way i was carefull with the install but i thought about it, i topped off the filler neck and drove it= white smoke and then less and less smoke, get back home and need to top it off again, drove it next day= white smoke poofs and then less and less, get back home today have to put in about 1/3 of a gallon again. So i think thats it, i dont know what to look for when i take the I/M off. its gotta be the cores, thats the only place it could leak in right?
01-10-2012, 12:01 AM
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01-10-2012, 02:48 AM
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I Guess I'll buy a Gapper and Gap my Plugs and then try cleaning my MAF Sensor cause I already Cleaned my TB and that did help a lot when I did it, But it still Effen Hesitates and Idle Searches just enough to be Annoying and its always Hesitating around 1,000-1,800 RPMS after that its fine, Weird? Is their a "How To" on cleaning the MAF?
01-10-2012, 07:05 AM
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Ok update, i think turbo tim is on to something. So he thinks i am getting coolant from the intake mani in the engine. well 1st i thought no way i was carefull with the install but i thought about it, i topped off the filler neck and drove it= white smoke and then less and less smoke, get back home and need to top it off again, drove it next day= white smoke poofs and then less and less, get back home today have to put in about 1/3 of a gallon again. So i think thats it, i dont know what to look for when i take the I/M off. its gotta be the cores, thats the only place it could leak in right?
W/o Opt. B, it is very hard to bleed the cooling system.
It is possible that a core is leaking though. It is also possible the white smoke could have been from residual coolant in the intake manifold after you swaped the cores around.
The PCM will correct to a point, but the difference in elevation is pretty large.
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01-10-2012, 08:33 AM
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as far as spark plug i would listen to Staged, he is right on the money. .28 is way too small. with those mods i would guess around .32 but like he said every car is different.
as far as your 4k "rev limiter/2step" that you are speaking of, go to the dealer and get a crank positon senser relearn. im just about positive thats your problem. had it happen to me too. Mrbelvedere and i installed my ottp stage 2 with 2.8 and 60s and so forth and mine did the same thing. took it out for the test drive, laid into and about 4k rpms it fell flat on its face and died. go check that out and get back with us.
as far as your 4k "rev limiter/2step" that you are speaking of, go to the dealer and get a crank positon senser relearn. im just about positive thats your problem. had it happen to me too. Mrbelvedere and i installed my ottp stage 2 with 2.8 and 60s and so forth and mine did the same thing. took it out for the test drive, laid into and about 4k rpms it fell flat on its face and died. go check that out and get back with us.
01-10-2012, 11:09 AM
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Remove driver side headlight, and you'll see the maf in the intake right there. Undo connector, loosen the two Philips head screws, they're small so be careful you don't drop them. Pull maf out and spray with cleaner and let dry for a little while then put everything back together
01-10-2012, 11:15 AM
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I recommend using some masking tape, and taping off around the head light. They can be tricky to coax out of the bumper, and it will prevent any scratches.
Also, remove the push pins that hold the grill to the bumper nearest the head light. It will give you some wiggle room.
Remove the circled pins:
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01-10-2012, 11:47 AM
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Some of your idle problems could be coming from the 60's and the can tune. Everybody says 60's are tricky to get a smooth idle, even from a proper tune. This may not be the end all but if your idle is out of whack, it could be a factor.