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06-16-2008, 05:32 PM
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i dont have an cel from my dp with highflow cat....but im definaltly interested in the tune. what will it do for my balt? with full bolt ons and nitrous. granted the nitrous kinda in a way tunes for it self with it being a wet shot... but there has to be more of a gain than that with aftermafket parts... im just wondering if the gains with bolts on is worth the $...?
06-16-2008, 06:11 PM
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Is that 136 hp WITH the tune? even stock, theres no way you can be at that hp with a tune. ppl are at that stock already off the assembly line.
thoery is, maybe the more mods you have, the bigger benefit you get from the tune.
idk. i'll email vince tommorrow see what he says.
thoery is, maybe the more mods you have, the bigger benefit you get from the tune.
idk. i'll email vince tommorrow see what he says.
06-16-2008, 07:07 PM
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Thank you dragon, for being smart about this. 
When dealing with a STOCK 4-banger there is not much more to pull from it. The more mods, the more tuning helps. Hence why NWAE put down only 10 more hp than me till he got tuned, at which time he practically saw 20hp total above stock.
So, the more mods the more the tune will help. In my case, it truly helped my engine manage itself much more efficiently.
Once I go intake/exhaust I expect I'll be right on par with NWAE. And then maybe a mild cam and have it tuned for that, which will give it even more than if i had just thrown a cam in on stock tune.
It's all about what you have. Didn't expect anything more out of mine really. It's much peppier though, any stock ls's wanna race now? :-P
When dealing with a STOCK 4-banger there is not much more to pull from it. The more mods, the more tuning helps. Hence why NWAE put down only 10 more hp than me till he got tuned, at which time he practically saw 20hp total above stock.
So, the more mods the more the tune will help. In my case, it truly helped my engine manage itself much more efficiently.
Once I go intake/exhaust I expect I'll be right on par with NWAE. And then maybe a mild cam and have it tuned for that, which will give it even more than if i had just thrown a cam in on stock tune.
It's all about what you have. Didn't expect anything more out of mine really. It's much peppier though, any stock ls's wanna race now? :-P
06-16-2008, 08:42 PM
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i only have a cai and catback. so when i get the tune, i wont look for to much gain until i get the 2.4 intake mani. but with a cai, maybe vince can tell the engine to suck in more air cause of the 3" pipe that allows more airflow already.
If you are bone stock, it is basically a engine tune upper that best deals with MPG and lower accel.
i assumed us 07s would have a lil more hp gain cause of our exhaust mani. but when you look at it, where is the more air going out of the engine if it goes to a 1.5" pipe toward the end. ( stock cat back).
warren, you happen to know what primaries our headers are? zzp is 1.5, dont know if ours is the same more a lil smaller. our dp looks to be about 2" or so right?
the other dynos that vince pulled on a 06 with CAI, 2.4 intake mani, headers, dp and catback gained about 15-20 just off the tune i think. hope with full mods on my car, we can put around that much.
only time will tell.
If you are bone stock, it is basically a engine tune upper that best deals with MPG and lower accel.
i assumed us 07s would have a lil more hp gain cause of our exhaust mani. but when you look at it, where is the more air going out of the engine if it goes to a 1.5" pipe toward the end. ( stock cat back).
warren, you happen to know what primaries our headers are? zzp is 1.5, dont know if ours is the same more a lil smaller. our dp looks to be about 2" or so right?
the other dynos that vince pulled on a 06 with CAI, 2.4 intake mani, headers, dp and catback gained about 15-20 just off the tune i think. hope with full mods on my car, we can put around that much.
only time will tell.
06-16-2008, 09:35 PM
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well Warren, i have the dyno sheet from that tune in hand and here it is:
now keep in mind it was only a 4 hp and a 4 tq point increase on a bone stock 2.2. adding a CAI and exhaust will dramatically increase the numbers. He removed the speed limiter, adjusted the cooling fan timing, fixed the PE Delay for the AFR (as seen in the sheet above, the AFR is completely terrible without the tune) and that was about it. So next step here sometime in the next week or so....Beta test with that tune but with the 2.4 manifold installed....hopefully we can see a substantial gain from that. Enjoy! And hopefully if all goes well, we can have a distributor of Trifecta Tunes on the east coast available within weeks!!!!!
and that rev limiter didn't get removed, it's stop rpm was increased from 6500 to 7000 which is only good if you have the 2.4manifold since it will produce power past 6500 rpm on the 2.2 cars....
well Adam, that 136 is with the tune, but only because the car is bone stock, you can't very well pull power out of thin air without something invested in the engine so with the CAI and Catback, expect more than that 4 point gain, it will be more along the lines of 10-15 with that...and with the 2.4 manifold look for about 10-15 with that, so probably a 25-30 total point increase across the board. the primaries are a hair less than 1.5" and the downpipe i do believe is 1 3/4" inches...but i haven't taken a formal measurement. Hopefully that answers your questions and we will have our tune really soon!!
now keep in mind it was only a 4 hp and a 4 tq point increase on a bone stock 2.2. adding a CAI and exhaust will dramatically increase the numbers. He removed the speed limiter, adjusted the cooling fan timing, fixed the PE Delay for the AFR (as seen in the sheet above, the AFR is completely terrible without the tune) and that was about it. So next step here sometime in the next week or so....Beta test with that tune but with the 2.4 manifold installed....hopefully we can see a substantial gain from that. Enjoy! And hopefully if all goes well, we can have a distributor of Trifecta Tunes on the east coast available within weeks!!!!!
and that rev limiter didn't get removed, it's stop rpm was increased from 6500 to 7000 which is only good if you have the 2.4manifold since it will produce power past 6500 rpm on the 2.2 cars....
i only have a cai and catback. so when i get the tune, i wont look for to much gain until i get the 2.4 intake mani. but with a cai, maybe vince can tell the engine to suck in more air cause of the 3" pipe that allows more airflow already.
If you are bone stock, it is basically a engine tune upper that best deals with MPG and lower accel.
i assumed us 07s would have a lil more hp gain cause of our exhaust mani. but when you look at it, where is the more air going out of the engine if it goes to a 1.5" pipe toward the end. ( stock cat back).
warren, you happen to know what primaries our headers are? zzp is 1.5, dont know if ours is the same more a lil smaller. our dp looks to be about 2" or so right?
the other dynos that vince pulled on a 06 with CAI, 2.4 intake mani, headers, dp and catback gained about 15-20 just off the tune i think. hope with full mods on my car, we can put around that much.
only time will tell.
If you are bone stock, it is basically a engine tune upper that best deals with MPG and lower accel.
i assumed us 07s would have a lil more hp gain cause of our exhaust mani. but when you look at it, where is the more air going out of the engine if it goes to a 1.5" pipe toward the end. ( stock cat back).
warren, you happen to know what primaries our headers are? zzp is 1.5, dont know if ours is the same more a lil smaller. our dp looks to be about 2" or so right?
the other dynos that vince pulled on a 06 with CAI, 2.4 intake mani, headers, dp and catback gained about 15-20 just off the tune i think. hope with full mods on my car, we can put around that much.
only time will tell.
well Adam, that 136 is with the tune, but only because the car is bone stock, you can't very well pull power out of thin air without something invested in the engine so with the CAI and Catback, expect more than that 4 point gain, it will be more along the lines of 10-15 with that...and with the 2.4 manifold look for about 10-15 with that, so probably a 25-30 total point increase across the board. the primaries are a hair less than 1.5" and the downpipe i do believe is 1 3/4" inches...but i haven't taken a formal measurement. Hopefully that answers your questions and we will have our tune really soon!!
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06-16-2008, 09:50 PM
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NWAE...the tuning fun isn't over yet, it's only just begun...wait until i test out the tune for the 2.4 manifold and if funds are willing and the car gods are in my favor, forced induction for the 07 without piggyback...
06-16-2008, 10:19 PM
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faceless, i hope you didn't get the impression i was knocking anything, in fact this whole time i told everyone exactly how to it was and that i wasn't surprised my car didn't make much more due to me not having more breather parts. and thanks for correcting me, the redline was adjusted.
as i said before, the more parts ya got the merrier. and i'm hella lookin forward to getting my breather mods in and seeing more come out of it.
as i said before, the more parts ya got the merrier. and i'm hella lookin forward to getting my breather mods in and seeing more come out of it.
06-16-2008, 10:36 PM
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warren...no man i didn't get that impression quite the opposite actually...what i got was that you were excited and i am excited as well, Vince is going nuts...he is ecstatic that the tune worked as well as it did...it was what he was expecting out of the tune and about what i was expecting (though i was thinking 5 -7 gain) but then again it was close and it was worth it...now comes the fun stuff..the mod tuning for cold air intakes, exhaust setups, manifold/throttle body swaps, cams, forced induction....etc.
and again i didn't take it as you knocking anything but i was piggybacking on what you where saying and adding to it...and i went ahead and saved you time from uploading the Dyno Numbers..plus i wanted to add some things....so hopefully in about a week or 2 we will see Dyno numbers from a Mustang Dyno with the 2.4 Manifold installed...and if i have time i will have one of the guys in my shop bore out my TB into the 2.4 TB size (about a .020 overbore) and tune all of that together...and hopefully i can get some cash in my hand for the forced induction project i'm working on...whether it be turbo or supercharger (which ever kit is completed first, looking like turbo right now but never know)...
and i'm glad to see that you went up there and did the beta test for the 07 guys...we all owe you a great thanks for doing that because now that tune is the baseline for which all other 07 tunes will be based on. So you doing that will make A LOT of people really happy...especially me. So let me extend my hand and my thanks and a hearty Congrats on the tune.....now start modding lmfao.
and again i didn't take it as you knocking anything but i was piggybacking on what you where saying and adding to it...and i went ahead and saved you time from uploading the Dyno Numbers..plus i wanted to add some things....so hopefully in about a week or 2 we will see Dyno numbers from a Mustang Dyno with the 2.4 Manifold installed...and if i have time i will have one of the guys in my shop bore out my TB into the 2.4 TB size (about a .020 overbore) and tune all of that together...and hopefully i can get some cash in my hand for the forced induction project i'm working on...whether it be turbo or supercharger (which ever kit is completed first, looking like turbo right now but never know)...
and i'm glad to see that you went up there and did the beta test for the 07 guys...we all owe you a great thanks for doing that because now that tune is the baseline for which all other 07 tunes will be based on. So you doing that will make A LOT of people really happy...especially me. So let me extend my hand and my thanks and a hearty Congrats on the tune.....now start modding lmfao.
06-16-2008, 11:29 PM
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i need an out if the o2 extender doesnt work ha ha. anyone have any experience with them?
so in theory, my 07 2.2 with i/h/d/e a 2.4 intake mani and a tune from vince, i could be pushing near 170 hp????
ive seen 2.2s with i/h/d/e dyno between 140 and 150 hp, so i will say 145.
then a post in here said the tune on a fully bolted 2.2 with 2.4 mani gained 15-20 whp
that puts us at 160whp
plus whatever the 2.4 mani added initally.
i know im talking numbers and will probably get flamed, but im basing on what i assume are real dyno numbers.
so in theory, my 07 2.2 with i/h/d/e a 2.4 intake mani and a tune from vince, i could be pushing near 170 hp????
ive seen 2.2s with i/h/d/e dyno between 140 and 150 hp, so i will say 145.
then a post in here said the tune on a fully bolted 2.2 with 2.4 mani gained 15-20 whp
that puts us at 160whp
plus whatever the 2.4 mani added initally.
i know im talking numbers and will probably get flamed, but im basing on what i assume are real dyno numbers.
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i need an out if the o2 extender doesnt work ha ha. anyone have any experience with them?
so in theory, my 07 2.2 with i/h/d/e a 2.4 intake mani and a tune from vince, i could be pushing near 170 hp????
ive seen 2.2s with i/h/d/e dyno between 140 and 150 hp, so i will say 145.
then a post in here said the tune on a fully bolted 2.2 with 2.4 mani gained 15-20 whp
that puts us at 160whp
plus whatever the 2.4 mani added initally.
i know im talking numbers and will probably get flamed, but im basing on what i assume are real dyno numbers.
so in theory, my 07 2.2 with i/h/d/e a 2.4 intake mani and a tune from vince, i could be pushing near 170 hp????
ive seen 2.2s with i/h/d/e dyno between 140 and 150 hp, so i will say 145.
then a post in here said the tune on a fully bolted 2.2 with 2.4 mani gained 15-20 whp
that puts us at 160whp
plus whatever the 2.4 mani added initally.
i know im talking numbers and will probably get flamed, but im basing on what i assume are real dyno numbers.
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then bring on the official numbers. I'm just saying that the odds of that being true are slim to nil. I work on cars day in and day out and most of the time of 4 bangers the odds you picking up 30 to 40 whp requires intake, exhaust, headers (na cars), throttle body, manifold, and even then a tune is still required. there is no way chevy would put out a car that would be that restrictive. the biggest changes you will see especially if you are putting on the 2.4l manifold is a slight increase like 5 whp and a drop in torque. so show me the numbers, and i will believe you, but if you are a going to go buy what others are telling you, you are going to get burnt.
06-17-2008, 06:11 PM
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then bring on the official numbers. I'm just saying that the odds of that being true are slim to nil. I work on cars day in and day out and most of the time of 4 bangers the odds you picking up 30 to 40 whp requires intake, exhaust, headers (na cars), throttle body, manifold, and even then a tune is still required. there is no way chevy would put out a car that would be that restrictive. the biggest changes you will see especially if you are putting on the 2.4l manifold is a slight increase like 5 whp and a drop in torque. so show me the numbers, and i will believe you, but if you are a going to go buy what others are telling you, you are going to get burnt.