NextLevel

To be different, almost anyone can put on a turbo kit and be over 200. Not to put anyone down for doing that of course. Not many people make an all motor build, due to the amount of work needed, but it is something to make the car somewhat unique. But once youdone building up the motor that, most parts should be compatable for a procharger, and that would then make for some serious power. By the way ranger, nice looking setup you have, looks very sleek.

Novajoe

if he would have said that 200hp was a starting mark... then sure. do what you need to do. He wants an end result of 200hp. I'm just saying all motor isn't a very cost-effective way of doing it.

it also seems like a waste of money to raise compression and add certain profile cams for all-motor just to throw it all away for a turbo/super charger later.

The way I see most builds go... you get an end result of what you want the car to be and perform like and build accordingly... If the OP wants to build an all-motor beast then I say go for it. But just don't expect to ask most people if it's there's a cost-efficient way of going down the road less traveled cause there's not.

while the experience will come in handy, you're dealing with a type of motor that's not as widely built as those so parts will be harder to come by and will probably be more expensive. Plus you're working with alot more aluminum than usual and newer technology. While there are alot of things that remain the same there are alot of differences that make building an engine like the ecotec more complicated than buidling your average carbuerated small-block.

I don't want to discourage anyone from trying something new. Hell that's half the fun in this. I just don't want to see someone who doesn't see the bigger picture tear apart their brand new car for a learning process they can't afford.

NextLevel

the triflow cams are supposed to be able to work for both n/a and f/i. Those should be a good cam set if you ever want to switch to a turbo or sc.

Rangerondubz

Thanks man, I wish I had it right now, I rear ended somebody on a merge b/c she decided she wanted to "stop" when there was no cars coming

NextLevel

that really sucks, how bad was the damage.

Rangerondubz

$5200 in body and frame, I dk if the S/C is cracked or not but I was only doing 10-15mph but it was a truck so it was up higher and TOTALLY missed my impact beam and hit my upper core support on the passenger side and pushed it past the S/C, it broke the metal around the S/C pulley, im going to try to get some pictures today but it sucks

BlackedOutCoby

I am gonna hit 200whp this year for less then 2k in mods. Im already at mid 180 range. I estimate with CRY02, Comp Stage 1 cams, tuneing, and possible port and polish work on the head it should nudge me just over 200whp.

mcoder77

Sorry to hear about your car..hope you get it up and running soon.

BlackedOutCoby

??? ehh my car runs better now then it did the day I drove it off the dealer's lot. I have driven it about 400 miles in 2 days since I finished the new intake manifold install. Deffinitly more power and tq and its stout. Nice new roar on the engine when accelerating and my power band is so much more smooth. Also I finally rolled over 10k yesterday. hahahaha

blackngold20

lol...what do you think V8 guys say about us and I-4 force induction

Shortbus

Hopes and dreams, its funny how you guys think your going to hit 200whp with ss/sc injectors, a 2.4 manifold, and a tune with bolt-ons get serious guys, and plus you say you dont have the money for f/i, its going to be more expensive to go all motor than f/i with this car, mnaybe if you sell your interior neons and what not you can scrunge up the money.

BlackedOutCoby

Actually its quite possible and will happen this year I 100% guarantee there will be 1 if not a few LS/LT's running around with NA 200whp. The only thing I find funny is SS/SC barely making 200whp stock and if air temps are to hot they can drop as low as 189whp.... It nice to see SS/SC guys getting worried now that base models are creeping up on them. And not just one or 2 guys. It seems ever since a few of us started getting close everyone else is following suit and matching us mod for mod. Although it seems that the 07 models are the ones making the strongest power gains I wouldn't find it impossible for an 06 base model to match us.

Ohh and it has nothing to do with not having the money for FI. Back over a year ago SS/SC guys were talking hardcore garbage about the 2.2 and 2.4 blocks being less worthy of modifications. But look now how many 2.2 and 2.4 guys with small turbo kits are walking all over ss/SC with stage 2 etc... Spending 25k on a car that comes stock with FI and then dumping another 1k - 2k in parts for stage 2 and barely looking at 240 - 250hp and low 13's high 12's is kinda embarassing and well just goes to prove that well the naysayers were completely wrong about the proven 2.2 blocks capabilities.

Novajoe

boltons, agressive cams, tuning, higher compression, slight headwork, lightweight flywheel, underdrive pulley... might put you at 200hp. It's all within reason if you do it peice by peice. But considering there's no ecu tuning available and the fact that altogether it's gonna cost more than a turbo kit that'll put you over the mark anyway...

Shortbus

Ok keep telling yourself that, personally i could careless how much power my car makes just as long as it makes it down the track fast, and no iam not worried about a ls creeping on me, your comparing apples to oranges by comparing a STOCK ss/sc to a a car with thousands into it.

BlackedOutCoby

Again your ignorance is shining through. we are talking about guys who bought 12 - 14k cars and have spent 1k - 2k max on mods creeping up on the guys who spent 25k for a stock FI car. You can get all huffy puffy if you want but what is it Halfcent said... they are all cobalts. Maybe some of the SS/SC owners should have not ran their mouths and offered ignorant opinions.

Shortbus

Ok for one at the end of the day my car is just econo box with a supercharger, its nothing special just a cobalt just like the rest of them, for two i got my car brand new for 19 out the door. And again your comparing a car with thousands into to a STOCK CAR, show me a 1/4time or dyno or anything of a all motor ls runing in the 14s, or dyn0 with 200whp with only 1-2k in mods?

Brucesblack

For most of us, the idea of forced induction is something to do after we've built the rest of our motors as much as we think is necessary or productive. We want to make as much power as possible before we add forced induction to the motor.[/QUOTE]



thank you . im planing on building my motor as much as i can .and then maybe forced induction when i get tuning for it

cobalt9123

i say....build your motor for about 200-220 hp on all motor..then run F/I for about 300 with a tune...then put some nos in it...and you'll be a 12 second car

umrdyldo

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I say will all have a fight like on Anchorman. I call the Trident.

cobalt9123

i'll punt baxter!

BlackedOutCoby

If you start with a base of 200 - 220whp NA and put teh right turbo kit on these cars your gonna be looking at closer to 350-400hp not 300hp hehehe...... Ive never installed a tubro setup with less then a 150hp gain at 12psi. But almost every turbo setup I have done was on a 4G63 mitsu so who knows what I could do with a Ecotec.

Brucesblack

thats what this thread is about .. im starting with a base of 200 that i wanna achieve wit all motor .. but when tuning comes out im goin SC

Sw4y1313

I would go this route if your going all motor:

AEM FIC(for tuning) - $350(my price)
32lb injectors - $50 used
Custom 2.25 Exhaust - $300
High flow Header - $200
11:1 or 11.5:1 Forged Pistons(Custom made by Diamond Racing) - $450 + $100(rings)
Stage 2 Comp Cams - $575
Eagle forged Rods - $300
Neutral Balance Shafts - $320
Fadanza Flywheel - $320max

Grand total: $2965

Now that setup could get you dangerously close to 200whp. The major difference would be in tuning. I would love to see someone do it. Hell i would even help =P

BlackedOutCoby

Just my educated opinion but going SC is a big mistake. A big mistake that Chevy proved when tehy built the SS/SC. It never should have been a SC car. Now the SC has some cool thigns about it like the trademark 'crying" and well because its just so different. But chevy was trying to stick to their roots and well all it came out with was a underpowered car that with a Turbo stock would have put the SRT-4 boys out on teh street corner whoreing themselves for cash to get SRT-4 stage WTF....

SRT-4 quote of the day, "Yeah my car has BPU++++"

Brucesblack

ha lol.. yea i was thinkin turbo . but every time i hear a turbo i think of the pos srt's out there

ok just to let everybody know .. if your gonna bash my car or the 2.2 motor dont post in my thread .. thank you ..... Bruce