umrdyldo

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Bruce is no longer a new member. Look at his post count. kick ass and take names Bruce!

Brucesblack

hey thanx im trying. why does most of the SC owner's hate on us 2.2 guy's .. because our car's are cheaper or what !! ..

umrdyldo

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I haven't figured that out, I love seeing any cobalts not just an SS or SS/SC. I guess some people are just dicks to be dicks. There are a lot of very great SS and SS/SC members on here. Sometimes you have to just ignore the rest and move on with your life.

Brucesblack

what are your plan's for your next mod's .. ...umrdyldo ? !

halfj99

200 hp with enough $ is easy

umrdyldo

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Yeah i know weird name. I am doing GMPP exhaust and intake manifold in the new month. Buying manifold tomorrow. I'm not going forced induction because my dad would **** down one leg if I slapped a turbo on this beast before I start making the payments. Can't blame him. I graduate college in December then the paychecks might be centered around Forced Induction.

Brucesblack

with time. patience. and some respect for my car. i want to hit 200 hp on a dyno with my 2.2 lt .. just to make a few people shut up about how 2.2's arnt worth modding !!.. and im not pointing finger's either.. my brother said i couldnt do it so i bet him my truck back home that buy my birthday next year i will hit 200 hp on a dyno !!

7Thirty

Exactly what i was thinking... This to me is a good goal because if you can get to theat 200 mark with N/A ... then adding a turbor and maybe a 50 or 100 shot of NO2 and you've got your self a lil Beast..

AND YES... A COBALT IS A COBALT.... SS or LS

umrdyldo

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What month is your birthday? That's a hell of a bet, but well worth it if you have the money. Just get going on the little stuff and then dig in to the tougher thens toward the end. I don't know what you are going to do about tuning, maybe we will all get lucky and have some HPTuners or something in the next 6 months. If not just hide a NO2 somewhere and shoot up.

Brucesblack

yea i hear that good luck with the rent's lol ... i pay for all my bills .. car insurance cell credit card and a few other thing's .. and im only 20 year's old living in a hotel room traveling state to state for work .. how im going to pay for this build IDK .. but i will .. if i have to ill take out a 3000 dollar loan and buy alot of my part's at one time !!

Sw4y1313

Well if you want to go FI after going 200hp NA, its going to be a bit difficult. If you want anything close to 200hp, your going to need some 11:1 or 11.5:1 compression pistons. You do NOT want to run FI with those pistons unless you want to run 100+ Octane 24/7. Look at my parts list i posted back a page, that will get you 200hp NA, or at least DAMN close. Just have to make sure you make a nice tune.

7Thirty

I dont think its HATE.. initially SOME(and i stress SOME) wanted to talk down on 2.2's and 2.4 on that My car has more HP so im better.. but i think for the most part it has gone away...It mainly comes up when we talk about modding our cars and SC'ing or Turboing our car and someone will come with "Why dont you just buy and SS/SC" A Balt is a Balt is a Balt is a Balt.. For whatever reason you bought your car... Do what u want and what you can ... strap a rocket to that BEEOTCH if you want... just have fun with it


Just my 7.30 cents

Brucesblack

well i have an auto so that's another issue .. but im taking this slow .. that's the reason i started this thread so i can learn a lil bit more before it goe's under my knife lol .. thanx everybody that posted even if there are HATER's lol jk .. but yea im still learning so any help would be greatly appreciated thanx .. o and if you dont like my idea or you have something NEGATIVE to say dont say it i dont want my thread all whored up thanx Bruce Lee

thanx .. 7THIRTY .. i dont hate on any balt . like you said a blat is a balt regardless of it's "COOLNESS"

116Fanatic

From what ive heard, but dont yell at me if im wrong cuz I dont know a whole lot, but Ive heard that Forced Induction or even a turbo will kill your motor in the long run...if you dont have the proper work done to the engine to make it withhold that much extra pressure...so wouldnt it be better to do this instead?

ebristol

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You need to be more specific on exactly how much it costs to get over 200hp with an L61. If someone has done it then use their costs to justify your argument. Dyno results would also be nice. You can't sit here and e-build your car and use that for your argument. We race in the real world, not the e-world.

And you say that your 12 - 14k car cars are creeping up to the 25k ones with only 1-2K of mods?? First of all it is not true and second of all there are many other things to consider then just hp. What about handling, shifting, braking and most important reliability? If you ever build a 200hp 2.2 without upgrading the internals it will not last as long as a stock lsj.

I own a 06 IRL but I drove a 04 ION3 2.2 for over 60,000 miles. I used to be like you. I didn't believe the RL(or SS/SC guys in your case) that it is a waist of time to try to build a quick 2.2. I always thought they didn't know what they were talking and didn't want to hear about a 2.2 that was faster then their lsj. But after years of researching the L61 I realized that I couldn't build one cheaper or faster then an LSJ. So I traded in my ION3 for a RL.

So my advise to any 2.2 owner who is serious about owning a quick car is to trade it in. You can find a good deal on LSJs all over the place. It was the best decision I have ever made!!!

very true.

Here is a link to a guy who procharged his 2.2 and then blew it!

http://www.r e d li n e f o r u m s.com/forums/performance-modifications/23571-procharged-2-2-eats.html?highlight=procharged+2.2

He spent way over $2k and still only made 188hp on the dyno.

Shortbus

Iam in no way hating i dont know why you take it that way, its just you guys think you can hit 200whp all motor with 1-2k in mods, and thats not going to happen, and again i paid 19k for my car fully loaded g85 out the door, your going to dump a good 3k to run with a stock lsj.

BlackedOutCoby

The fact of the matter is I am sitting at 25hp short of 200hp NA right now. of course I cant do Comp Cams because I have an 07 with teh Cam position sensor so that is out. I can however do CRY02 , could still swap out the GMPP manifold for a 4 to 1 Long tube header, Ported TB, Lightweight Flywheel, poly mounts, and torque dampner and I "should" see about 20 - 30hp gain there which would push me over my 200hp goal. I have a feelign alot of whp is lost in the drive-train from stock mounts, flywheel and lack of torque dampner and those 3 pieces alone would put more of my engine Hp at the wheels. While the GMPP exhaust manifold gives me good hp/tq gain in the lower power band, a long tube header would give even greater gains in the upper RPM ranges where a DYNO shows peak HP. And CRY02 can drop intake temps by 20 - 40 degrees which we all know would be a great addition. And if I'm still not at 200 all I need is a tiny tiny shot of nitrous. Wouldn't even need a 30 shot.

Sw4y1313

I have to stick up for brandon aka bc3 because he was one of the first to do it. He was using a DFMU to start and was making 188whp. Thats pretty impressive especially because he was not pulling timing and had a horrible tune(not your fault B!). The day he blew his motor(or close to) he had put new spark plugs in, and we believe that the 2.2's ignition system is very touchy(There is a thread with explaination on ionforums . net) and doesnt take kindly to new spark plugs. Do not use his example as a waste because it certainly wasnt. Im sure he will chime in here soon =P

BlackedOutCoby

I walked out the door after financing for 11,300. whats your point we all can get good deals. What I am saying is I can do 200whp for under 2k in mods. Im at 175-178whp depending on which shop i goto right now. Total cost so far?

Car -11,300
Intake - 260
Exhaust mani - 200
Catback - 150
Intake Mani - 249
=
12,160...

Cry02 - 250
Fidanza Flywheel - 319
Engine mounts - 199
Trany mounts - 149
Torque Dampner - 200

= $13,277

Still cheaper then a used stock SS/SC.
and if god help us HPTuners can release a tune for us then its on like donkey kong.

umrdyldo

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I think one thing many of us including myself have overlooked is the fact that his car dynoed so high to begin with. It seems high compared to most i have seen. On the same dyno 200 should be much easier than with some of the guys that dynoed in the 120's

BlackedOutCoby

Yeah thats what I told the guys at Speedtek when I first Dynoed the car last year. They told me to take it down to another shop called Dynosaurus and one shop rolled a 143whp the other rolled out 139whp. Such a small difference could completely be explained by the difference in air temps at the shops. One is an air conditioned shop the other was open air. So i am waiting till September when the Texas air cools back down to the 80's average and i will go lay down some new numbers.

M-Dub

Have fun with that build and keep us updated!

Sw4y1313

I dont believe that your at 175whp with just a Catback, intake, and header. The 2.4 guys can barely pull 170whp from all those mods. Your going to need A LOT more then whats listed. And honestly, the Cry02 isnt going to do much. Better off buying Neutral Balance Shafts for the price, and ou would probably see a lot more gains.

Novajoe

I don't see installation costs anywhere. Even if you installed it all yourself, that's alot of lost hours and money on tools if you don't already have them. Plus a car with all of that isn't going to have a warranty... I'd also be suprised if all that brought you anywhere near 200whp. I mean you're looking to gain about 50fwhp with intake and exhaust basically and even if you get that good luck getting it all to the ground even with stiff mounts and a flywheel. With some good cams and a good tune it MIGHT be possible if your lucky.

You get what you pay for. I'm not saying one cobalt/Ion is better than the other, but they were built with different purposes and trying to mod the two equally will reflect that.

YellowLT

Except for Tuning Software Parts Cost for My Engine Build including a Nitrous Kit is around 3-3.5 g's and I plan on around 220 hp 240 Ft/lbs It's doable just no with bolt ons only. Most of the Bolt ons move the power above the rev limiter. Tuning is still the Key of the 2.2's power