Spanky's Monkey

iTrader: (6)

what mods can i do to give me 30 more horses pre-spray? i'd like to keep this thing simple given the wierd problems the engines already had. i want a quicker stronger ecotec. any one got some good knowledge?

rally

About the only real mods you can do right now are Header, Downpipe, Cat-Back, Intake.

No idea on net whp gains, but so far that will be the only pre-spray mods you can do without tuning. (i'm probly forgeting one somewhere)

NinjaHampster

http://www.turbotechracing.com/produ...idproduct=2705

this intake gives you 17 hp

Spanky's Monkey

iTrader: (6)

holy ****! i'm such a dumb ass. i forgot to mention i have the corsa catback and a cai.

i was thinking more along the lines of cams, pistons and teh whole mess.

rally

Comp Cams offers STAGE 1 Cams, anything past that you need a tune.

nomoreavril

yeah i just want to get upwards of 200 whp n/a and call it quits...

well maybe muhahaha

sethallen

wow you really know nothing about cars. don't you belong in the honda ricer forums?

that intake does not give u 17 hp. no intake will. ever.

even if it shows a dyno, that does not mean anything...anything can be fabbed or bloated to show gains

nomoreavril

uhhh thats for the supercharged cobalt

Red07SSNA

I keep seeing this statement but I can't find any reference to these cams on the Comp Cams website -- do you know the part number or a website that lists them for sale? Thanks

ORT

Do you happen to know which cam it would be, well the part number? I have the pdf file from them saved im guessing its the 113200?? And also know anything about the price?

Thanks

Red07SSNA

113200 doesn't bring up anything on the Comp Cams website Search engine. Do you have any other listings?

BlackLS

I believe Turbo Tech has them for around $440.

CTCOBALTSSS

Just hook up a 50 shot of nitrous.

Red07SSNA

Found the cam listings on the Turbo Tech website:

http://www.turbotechracing.com/produ...idproduct=2450

FDNY101202

pre-spray means w/o noz, samrt oen<<<(sarcastic)

SS_Ry

awesome decals should do it!

FDNY101202

lol yea get an APC DECAL haha

NJHK

I understand the basis of your statement but that wasn't called for and is an ignorant response. Correct him maturely and positively or don't say anything.

NJHK

Lots of online dealers sell them.

Team Vision Racing - www.ryne.com/storefront/
SMG Motoring - www.smgmotoring.com

They might not have it on their sites but if you contact them privately they can tell you all the information you need about the product.

NJHK

Well to answer your original question, no one can answer it. It's an impossible question. No one can honestly tell you EXACTLY or even a ballpark figure of how much power you'll gain with a certain modification combination with certainty. Every engine is different and every engine reacts to a modification differently.

Also, tuning plays a big part in every type of airflow change you make.

As far as actual engine work, you could change everything in your engine and make it 100% bullet proof, you're still missing something...tuning capabilities! Without this, parts mean nothing and the thousands of dollars you dish out just went out the toilet unless you fix this issue. Tuning includes not only fuel management but also ignition timing adjustments (and possibly camshaft timing).

Last but not least, you should understand what you're getting into completely and then make a plan as to what exactly you're aiming for. To me, it sounds like you don't fully understand the basics of an internal combustion engine and it's valvetrain system...which is not a bad thing, we all started somewhere. It's not just as simple as buying x part and putting it in your engine, you need to know what you're aiming for as far as specifications of parts. I could ask you a bunch of questions right now that you probably don't have the answer to as of yet cause you probably haven't thought it through completely...once again, it's fine, asking questions now helps preventing you from wasting your money and having an incomplete setup.

1. What compression do you plan on running?
2. Are you honing the cylinders if you put in new pistons?
3. Are you staying with the same bore if you get new pistons?
4. Are staying with the stock thickness of your headgasket?
5. Are you getting head studs?
6. Do you know all your engines torque specs?
7. Whos rebalancing your crankshaft?
8. What kind of duration and lift are you aiming for when buying your camshafts?
9. Does idle quality (roughness) matter to you?
10. Do you plan on having your cylinder head ported?
11. What companies do you plan on going torwards for all these engine parts?
12. What do you plan on using for engine/comptuer management?
13. Where do you want your powerband to begin?

I could literally keep going on and on and on but I won't. You get the point.

The reason I got so in detail with the engine was because of the lack of better words you used: "and the whole mess". That led me to believe you don't understand fully what you're getting into when you just see it as a "mess" of parts inside your engine. I myself still don't understand 100% of the engine mechanics and theories but I understand the basics, I understand general theories, I understand how much tuning is important, I understand why certain things happen and why you could lose power from a modification instead of gaining power.

I'm not at all trying to put you down but just raise awareness as far as how you're planning on modifying and you asking questions now is defenitley a good thing. Now is the time for you to learn before you buy anything or decide to take a step into something that you might regret in the future.

I know this is going on and on but one last thing...recognize the prices of parts and labor versus gains and recognize how much all this will cost you in the end. Is it worth it? Really, think about it.

Good luck. If you have anymore question feel free to ask me.

Brian MP5T

on a SS/SC... He has a 2.2L

redlineblueline

Weren't some of the guys on the ecotecforum replacing there balance shafts and seeing like 15-20 hp?

8cd03gro

not necessarily....it could give a peak gain of 17 horses. maybe not on the ss/sc, but on other cars it can definately happen, and with a tune it is VERY beleivable. yes that gain is probably bloated, and it probably gives more like 10hp maybe 7-8 at the wheels, but i wouldn't say no itnake will ever show that much of a gain.

Spanky's Monkey

iTrader: (6)

1. i tried to start somewhere wanting to run 10:5.1 weiscos
2. hadn't thought of that i know it would help but cost a ton more
3. i figured stock bore. as you stated i'm in the learning process and not clear if overboring helps or not and whether the cylinders would need to be worked if i went that route.
4. another compenant i would have upgraded due to the higher compression but did not know thickness mattered.
5. of course
6. not a clue.
7. dont know that one either.
8. looking at the jbp 2.2/2.4 performance stage 3 cams
9. as long its its not jaw shattering wouldnt mind at all.
10. eventually being realistic but its not an immediate concern.
11. weisco, eagle, jbp and some other recommened brands handed down by my cavy buddies.
12. you got me there. the cams are ecm friendly but that changes when you factor in everything else. I have faith tuning will come soon.
13. 2800 rpm sounds about right for my driving.

dont mean to be smug pal but i felt if i dont answer you wont feel compelled to supply more knowledge.

rally

8. JBP's 2.2 cams are for the current cavaliers and they are developing some specifically for the cobalt. The 2.4 cams wont work because the 2.4 is VVT and 2.2 isnt.

As far as your build goes I say good luck, you need to figure out a LOT more than what you think you know to do this. Trust me, I'm in the planning stages to do something in the way of a build but won't release anything. NJHK is about the only person that knows some of the details.

Spend a month or two learning engine internals and what they can and can't do then rethink your build.

(not trying to sound like an ass but it will DEFINETLY be worth it to learn rather than blow a few motors)

And what are you going to do about your valves, rockers, guides etc....