Mregan

So, I have an auto 2.2, and im sick of getting robbed of 30 horsepower more or less. What would be all the parts i would need to swap a manual in there? I mean I knw a trans obviously

haymakercobalt

Get ready for an extremely hard and expensive build.

Acey

iTrader: (3)

a) It's less than 30 hp (pretty sure manual 2.4's dyno around 150-155 and the autos around 140, so it couldn't be a 30 hp difference for the 2.2)

b) Trading in for a manual will probably cost you less

dunit121

bingo

weiss27md

Too much time and money would be involved. Not worth it. Autos don't lose that much hp, about 5%. The new autos on the EFX cobalt models are even more efficient.

olivecj

Just trade it in on a maunal cobalt dude then you'll be fine. You spend less trading it then you would trying to swap a manual tranny into it plus all the time it would take to do it properly.

HunterKiller89

iTrader: (1)

im pretty sure the XFE is only for manuals, and if it isnt, then its still the same 4t45e tranny...

the biggets downside to our transmissions is having 4 gears instead of 5. If we had a 5sp auto, i would be very happy

Mregan

2.4s are rated at 171, so 140 auto thats around 20% theres 30 hp right there, so yes mayb not 30 hp loss for the 2.2 but I'm certain a stock auto 2.2 would dyno less than 120

YSUsteven

If you look at it that way then

2.2 auto loses 30 HP
2.2 manual loses maybe 20

There are less expensive ways to make up the 10 hp differance...

I have seen some dyno sheets of stock 2.2s and they were typically 120-125 HP... Manuals I have seen sheets for are typically 130-135.

Acey

iTrader: (3)

I meant it's not 30 hp relative to the 5 speed, so in the case of the 2.4 "upgrading" from the auto to manual you're still seeing a 20 hp loss. Similar numbers with the 2.2, as per YSUsteven above.

D4u2s0t

you can spend thousands for a tranny, and still be incredibly slow, and still need to spend thousand to make the car fast, or spend thousands on building your engine and being fast. pick one.

rnjmur

I agree with everyone, much cheaper and easier to just trade in and get a manual cobalt.

If you really must know what you need to do to swap in a manual:

Get a manual transmission. You will need to run a clutch pedal. You will need to put in the linkage and shifter. Then comes the hard part. You will need to wire in the sensors for the clutch and gear sensors. You will have to put in a new TCM and reprogram the computer to work with the manual instead of the auto transmission.

2.4_SS

just build ur car to get hp or get ready to brake the bank converting is gonna be expensive as ****. your better off trading your car in u should get a ss this time =)

Mregan

Ok, ya i see what everyone is saying. Makes sense to me.

dunit121

also you would be spending money to make your car worth less ....

007CobaltLS

OK, here's the deal...as others have said...IT IS WAY TOO EXPENSIVE AND TIME CONSUMING to even attempt this.

2 things...you should have decided on what you wanted before purchasing (unless you absolutely had no choice, which is somewhat hard to believe)...and 2, you will spend more money to swap, but if you trade it in, you'll more than likely wind up with negative equity. I say deal with the auto. If you really want to mess with the tranny, beef up the auto.

I can tell you that my car dyno'd on a dyno dynamics at 112hp and 111tq, now that's on one type of dyno...on another (dynojet) it is closer to 125 for both hp and tq. So there is a good chunk of power lost with an auto, but oh well.

Acey

iTrader: (3)

That's the case with all mods, effectively.

HyperMuffin

Either super/turbo it or save for a faster car.

KnightBeforeLast

^^^ True Story

HyperMuffin

Its what im doing. With a 2.2L its a waste even to do bolt ons. You can find a turbo kit or sc kit for like 1000-1200 and probally have everything running an tuned for like 1600-2000 tops. You look at all bolt ons like Headers, DP, exhaust, 2.4 intake mani, tune, intake. Thats like 1400-1700 new so maybe 1000 used for all of it you still are going slow as ****. Full bolt ons probally puts us 2.2Ls at around 170-180 im guessing unless someone has a dyno of a bolted 2.2. For the same price you can go FI and have much more power.

Either go FI or dont mod the 2.2L at all. Its not worth it with bolt ons. I was and still am in the same situation and im probally just going to save for a new car. Maybe I can put money down on like a 2012 or something when im like a junior in college. Just think and research alot.

007CobaltLS

HyperMuffin...you do know that some of those performance parts that you would use for NA would also work for FI, right?

For instance, if you turbo, the 2.4 mani and cat-back can still be used (as long as it's 2.5" minimum).

For SC, you can still use the header/dp cat-back.

So if you're smart about what you install, you can continue to use parts or re-sell them for hopefully a decent amount. I buy used and wait for things to come along cheap. I spent $120 shipped on my Injen, $45 locally on my LSJ cat-back, found great deals on everything else new.

Really the moral of the story is that anything can be done cheaper, but you have to weigh the cost/time to the outcome and future...is it worth the money or time to do this now? What will the outcome be and what will the future hold (will I want to sell the car or keep it for a long time). This goes for the at to mt thing along with modifying in general.

If you want to resell in the future, you may as well just stick to things like wheels, tint and a few other things that aren't going to really affect the resale of the car.

I'll tell you one thing, a car that came with an auto and is re-sold with a manual swap done...the person buying it is going to say, what's up? Then they'll probably want it for a lot less because it's riskier to them.

HyperMuffin

Well yeah. Im just saying that the 2.2Ls werent really made to go fast and if you want to go fast you either have to wait for months to find cheap parts used or buy them new and spend a bit of money, when in the longrun to me I think its better if I just save for a new car.

007CobaltLS

Neither are Honda Civics and a whole bunch of other cars out there, but you see boosted Civic's and Neons and all kinds of other cars.

06SIBLT

iTrader: (8)

You would be better off trading in. I had this same problem, I had an 06 Cobalt LS Auto, and wanted 5 speed started a thread like this, and not more then a week after I had an 07 Cobalt SS/SC that has a TVS supercharger in it right now. You will get the modding bug, I warn you about that.

c0ld29

Best option is to turbo it... hands down. Most custom auto shops can piece you together a full turbo system with tune and labor for less than $2000. You save money and will go faster

edit: or... you might be able to find someone with a comparable cobalt to yours that has a manual and wants an auto, even swap! haha