IonNinja

yeah i was reading one of their threads on the forum and they weren't sure if they were even gonna try and work with your ECM's.

CivicKiller98

i received the same info in an email with them, when before they had told me that they were working on it and were to have it out at the end of march. if they decide not to, then maybe i will give it a go.

they are very helpful but this is a little misleading and kinda annoys me a bit.

NJHK

I know they are different, I was just saying that I wasn't sure if they had something out for any of the cobalts as well.

afireinside1582

well yeah, the guy has an '05 F-150, so it could be for his truck, he just told me it would be around 400-500 bucks and could really improve my mpg.

CivicKiller98

my apologies, wasnt a crack on your knowledge of the cobalt. now you know, hp tuners might not even go further than the j's

have a nice day

WopOnTour

It's not really the "communications" that represents the issue (HP Tuners works with both older Class 2 and GM Lan/CAN) it's the model of the ECM/PCM that represents the hurdle. Each model of GM box arranges and organizes the calibration files differently and each use a different "seed & key" algorithm for programming. This needs to be "cracked" before these kinds of edits can be performed.

For instance the older Jbodies use a P11 PCM, the SS/SC a P12, 2.2 Cobalts use a E16A and the 2.4 an E67. Each have their own idiosincracies but once cracked- almost any car using the same box is simultaneously as well.
For instance when the HPT final version for the LSJ is released- so will the I-engines in the Colorado/Canyons as they also use the P12.
HTH
WopOnTour

NJHK

It's all good.

CivicKiller98

yeah, agreed, i tend to use the word communications rather loosely, not in the same way most car manufacturers would.

Roadrunner

also,
if you are preppin for boost lower your compression ratio (lower compression pistons)
if you are stayin n/a, raise your compression ratio (higher compression pistons)

afireinside1582

yeah, stayin' n/a... if/when i have the funds i would like to go

injen cai
pacesetter header
gmpp touring exhaust
high flow cat
ecu retune (when available)
nkg sparkplugs and wires

NJHK

Well if he does raise his compression, he's going to need some type of fuel management system. What fuel management system CAN work on you guys PCM or is available for the LS? I'd imagine possibly E-manage...anything else?

CivicKiller98

well monitoring the af and such is necessary but its not a setting that will need to be adjusted on a regular basis, which is why waiting for something from a tuning company would be sufficient.

Asphalt Assault

LOL 400 bucks and you keep the tuner. ha ha. even if this was true which it isnt you would be far better with the extra hundred and be able to compete with SS/SC. the ultimate sleeper if you ask me. but hey its your money. NOS or NNAAAWWWZZZZ is the way to get the best bang for the buck. No super tune software is going to get you 75HP like nitrous. and a Zex kit is fool proof. you never lose a motor do to a F*&$ up with this kit.

CobaltCoupeCrazy

iTrader: (1)

Depending on where you want your power and how much work you intend to do to the car 2.25" or 2.5" exhaust will work. 2.5" is not too big; point blank ----> ______

NJHK

Yeah, might not be a regular bassis but it should be something he has there for adjustment none the less.

importkiller

iTrader: (1)

actualy 400 dollars is about right for a programmer, and take that programmer and use it with NOS and you will get way better performance. It is not software rather a module, if they do have one out i would get one but i doubt that they realy have one, if you show me where to buy one i will!!!!

NJHK

Not all programmers are the same, so that means some will cost more due to it being more complicated and having more options but this all varies from car/truck to others.

Also, not to be a dick but please don't refer to Nitrous Oxide as "NOS"...NOS is a company and the NOS stands for Nitrous Oxide Systems.

afireinside1582

seriously though, dont wanna put NO2 in my car... i dont race or anything... i'd describe my driving as "spirited", just looking for some cool little sleeper mods

CivicKiller98

im sorry, but i still dont see the logic in using a FMU over tuning, if he needs to make adjustments after tuning, he would just simply reconnect his tuner and retune, even though there isnt anything out yet.

dont get me wrong, i give a big to FMU but i dont see it as being necessary and i really gotta believe that its gonna be a waste of time and money unless there is boost involved.

NJHK

What I'm saying is that if he does a bunch of motor work, he could be running lean or his computer could be making him run rich...who knows. You agree he should know what his a/f ratio is, well he should also be able to adjust it if it's not performing at it's best. I'm not saying it's anything like being boosted where every so often he might have to change the tuning, all I'm saying is he should have something there incase he isn't stoich. I did the same thing...I installed camshafts in my motor and my computer made it run really rich. I bought an Apexi SAFC II, installed it, had it dyno tuned and left it alone...that's it. That's what I am suggesting to him.

FYI: The cams were installed when I was n/a, not boosted

NJHK

You mean N2O

As far as having "sleeper" mods, anything you do under the hood is "sleeperish" untill you make it noticeable either visually or by sound.

In my opinion, the whole sleeper thing is over rated. You drive a Cobalt...no one is going to expect much unless you have an SS/SC. I'm not saying that Cobalts are slow, but the tuner/import generation isn't going to expect much from a 4 cylinder American car...I'm in the same league, no one expects my car to be quick, even with a turbo. Sad sad people

slowion2

Yeah but come on Adam, it's sure funny when you beat someone and then pop the hood to show.....nothing??? That's made my night many times.

NJHK

that's nothin...

Try showing them you're an automatic...then it's like "ZOMG!"

slowion2

LOL very true, one of our guys was running mid to low 12's with his auto and people at rallys just were in disbelief haha

RedBaseBolt

I believe it